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@mangomeister123 said in #8:
> I love how people are complaining so much about draws as if the players aren't trying to win... you need mistakes for a decisive result, guys, and those just aren't being played.
Well, that's true but also not the whole story, is it? At this level, to elicit mistakes from your opponent, you have to leave more room to make mistakes yourself... not too much risk so far from either player. It's understandable perhaps, but not very exciting. And personally, not the way I prefer to see championship chess played.
> I love how people are complaining so much about draws as if the players aren't trying to win... you need mistakes for a decisive result, guys, and those just aren't being played.
Well, that's true but also not the whole story, is it? At this level, to elicit mistakes from your opponent, you have to leave more room to make mistakes yourself... not too much risk so far from either player. It's understandable perhaps, but not very exciting. And personally, not the way I prefer to see championship chess played.
OK..we see the opening here ruy Lopez game. Then the opening goes around till the opening session with Ng3 magnus while ian built center line. Then we have Qe8 for Bb3 ian . Now where is the game goes? Its should go Bf8 after Ra6 ian, where they will go for this match? We wait next match. How Magnus will drive with Bf8?
Wow, another draw. I'm getting some tiebreak vibes here :)
@NowIAmDiscouraged said in #33:
> Well, that's true but also not the whole story, is it? At this level, to elicit mistakes from your opponent, you have to leave more room to make mistakes yourself... not too much risk so far from either player. It's understandable perhaps, but not very exciting. And personally, not the way I prefer to see championship chess played.
To "elicit a mistake from your opponent", you often have to sacrifice your position for it. Given that they're basically engines, it's hard to do that and not lose, yourself Carlsen has done everything in his power to make Nepo mess up but it just hasn't happened. He's sacrificied his opening advantage as White and equality as Black in his attempts to elicit a mistake from Nepo but they're both just too good.
> Well, that's true but also not the whole story, is it? At this level, to elicit mistakes from your opponent, you have to leave more room to make mistakes yourself... not too much risk so far from either player. It's understandable perhaps, but not very exciting. And personally, not the way I prefer to see championship chess played.
To "elicit a mistake from your opponent", you often have to sacrifice your position for it. Given that they're basically engines, it's hard to do that and not lose, yourself Carlsen has done everything in his power to make Nepo mess up but it just hasn't happened. He's sacrificied his opening advantage as White and equality as Black in his attempts to elicit a mistake from Nepo but they're both just too good.
nobody has to sacrifice their position, they just have to seek out complex dynamic positions with lots of activity and pieces on the board. and both have made several mistakes even in the simpler positions they have reached in the last couple of games. now he is back to playing for tiebreaks. both players could have won in game 2 they just didn't--in your framework they just weren't good enough. but they are both more than good enough to draw simpler positions.
@mangomeister123 I don't disagree... per se. I just think there could be more fighting spirit. These lines are inherently rather low-risk, compared to the sharper style of chess we all know is possible. Are they both "just too good" to make mistakes? I don't know. I suppose in some of these positions the answer is yes. But I mean, is anyone even going to try to play a Sicilian? You know what I mean?
@NowIAmDiscouraged said in #38:
> @mangomeister123 I don't disagree... per se. I just think there could be more fighting spirit. These lines are inherently rather low-risk, compared to the sharper style of chess we all know is possible. Are they both "just too good" to make mistakes? I don't know. I suppose in some of these positions the answer is yes. But I mean, is anyone even going to try to play a Sicilian? You know what I mean?
I do get what you mean, but they've probably prepared the crap out of the sicilian given Magnus's affinity for it in recent years (and his previous World Championship match) so it's probably likelier to be a draw if they play it.
> @mangomeister123 I don't disagree... per se. I just think there could be more fighting spirit. These lines are inherently rather low-risk, compared to the sharper style of chess we all know is possible. Are they both "just too good" to make mistakes? I don't know. I suppose in some of these positions the answer is yes. But I mean, is anyone even going to try to play a Sicilian? You know what I mean?
I do get what you mean, but they've probably prepared the crap out of the sicilian given Magnus's affinity for it in recent years (and his previous World Championship match) so it's probably likelier to be a draw if they play it.
the rules for the world championship have been changed numerous times in the past, they are not sacrosanct. and often in response to too many draws.
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