Christian Nationalism Hasn't Anything To Do With Christianity

@salmon_rushdie . I think I misread your latest post (#10) the first time, so I looked again.

Ah, I DID misread it. I didn't see one word, which changed the meaning of a paragraph. lol.

So I had to rewrite my original quick response in THIS #11, and I just did.

Thanks for putting such effort into your reply, I wish more people followed your example of good faith effort.

I agree that many now seem to use "nationalism" as if it has a necessarily negative connotation.

But I don't really think that's necessary. I don't think that loving and being devoted to a country is inherently a bad thing or requires or implies any "hate" for others. The inclusion of the word "hate" in any definition of the word strikes me as flabbergasting, unnecessary and not at all traditional.

But language constantly changes, and lately "nationalism" does seem to be used, by some, to mean something unpleasant. But if we confine ourselves to traditional definitions, those don't seem to require the word to mean something hate-driven or otherwise reprehensible.

I think we can agree, though, that if somebody IS hateful, that's generally not commendable even if he or she is trying to be patriotic.

I qualified that statement with the word "generally" because I DO hate Nazi doctrine and would have hated it "back in the day," too. And I don't think that's a mistake.

@salmon_rushdie said in #10:
> Canadians are not nationalist they're patriotic.
esp. then french part.
patriotism too often used disguesing nationalism.
but for quebec and catalonia, i guess its good a fight for independence :)

Honestly the two are not opposites of one another yet the two can’t go with one another assuming we are not using the term nationalist synonymysly with the term patriotism

Nationalism separates people groups based on birth place while Christianity intends to serve the kingdom of God regaurdless of birth. Seems sensible since earthly kingdoms would be irrelevant to that in heaven

Honestly the term Christian nationalist is at best a good branding technique

@riftkusho said in #5:
> ah yes, Christianity is my favorite nation.
A religion is your favorite country lol.

@Noflaps said in #7:
> Could somebody explain to poor Noflaps what the difference is between "nationalism" and "patriotism" ?
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> Are they both, like, awful? Or is one tolerable and the other one not, you know, joyful. They don't always sound ominous to me. But admittedly, I lack flaps. And so far as I know, I've never met anybody who actually calls himself or herself a "Christian Nationalist."
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> Does it means something much more ominous than "patriotic Christian" ? Is it some sort of actual political party? I ask seriously, and would love a serious, informed answer.
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> But let's go back to not being too serious. Is it okay to relax on July 4? Or should Americans spend all day apologizing?
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> And what's up with Guy Fawkes Night, Union Jack Day and Victoria Day?

Patriotism is love the nation.
Nationalism is love your nation's race.

What could be wrong, hm?

@clousems , thumb down and no argument. You clearly know what Nationalism is... Even Hitler called it Social Nationalism.
Nationalism is an ideology that is also Patriotic in edit (sry for spello) yes but with interest for the majority of the race that make the identity of someone and their way of living.
There is also the aspect of 'superiority' and favor own people, leading to Racism. And outside that nation's ideology also war. Look at history.
It is a political wording trick with the flag represented somewhere visually to say we Patriotic but profile themselves as Nationalists.

Read " Der endlosung" by Hitler or the solution And tell me then what nationalism really is... and I'm Antifa af btw.
Only ' ism' valid to me is Humanism.

@mortmann said in #12:
> esp. then french part.
> patriotism too often used disguesing nationalism.
> but for quebec and catalonia, i guess its good a fight for independence :)

And there is a simple description of it in this word:

sovereignism or souverainism

>A doctrine which supports acquiring or preserving political independence of a
>*** nation or a region ***.
> It
>*** opposes federalism ***
>and approaches independentism movements.

The Prime Minister of Québec is saying his Political Party the Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ) is Nationalist while being Federalist and against Independence. Parti Québécois (PQ) or Québec Solidaire (QS) are Souverainist.

@Moonednearearth I downvoted because your description of nationalism was flawed. Race is not an essential part of nationalism, even if they are often linked.

A textbook example of nationalism is the US attitude during the Spanish-American War, which was one of the few incidents involving the US in the 1800s that was not primarily race-based.

A way I like to think about it: Patriotism is appreciating a state and acting to make it a better place. Nationalism is the belief in the superiority of a state, and acting because of that perceived superiority. Patriotism is inherently constructive; nationalism is not.