Kasparov On Carlsen In St. Louis

@njswift said in #7:
> Remember that time Kasparov lost to a computer and accused it of cheating with human assistance?

Wait, has Joel Benjamin ever trained Neimann?

too many people, kasparov included, like to pretend they are the judge presiding over a court case.

This isn't that.

Carlsen has an opinion. The fact that he has the opinion is its own justification.

no one is under any obligation to accept his opinion, nor does carlsen have a duty to provide evidence to "prove" his opinion.

It's an opinion. it's a personal thing.

people are idiots, kasparov included.

Carlsen having an opinion does not excuse his withdrawal in St. Louis, or his immediate resignation againt Niemann in this latest tournament. I think Kasparov is right to question that.

I agree with Kasparov and this has been my second big disappointment with Carlsen, the first being his refusal to defend the world chess champion title because I guess it wouldn't be exciting for him..!

He is breaking a tremendous tradition just because he wouldn't find it stimulating..? Came off as arrogant and inconsiderate of tradition, and not grateful for the world chess heritage. This is disappointing.

Even if Niemann is proven to be guilty... I still think he should have handled it differently... Raise the alarm privately, and then have his victory parade when it is over and it is revealed that he quietly worked behind the scenes to keep the sport pure & good.

@pretzelattack1 said in #13:
> Carlsen having an opinion does not excuse his withdrawal in St. Louis, or his immediate resignation againt Niemann in this latest tournament.

He doesn't need to be excused. He is a grown man. He can do as he pleases.

@Decaffeinated said in #14:
> I agree with Kasparov and this has been my second big disappointment with Carlsen, the first being his refusal to defend the world chess champion title because I guess it wouldn't be exciting for him..!
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> He is breaking a tremendous tradition just because he wouldn't find it stimulating..? Came off as arrogant and inconsiderate of tradition, and not grateful for the world chess heritage. This is disappointing.
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> Even if Niemann is proven to be guilty... I still think he should have handled it differently... Raise the alarm privately, and then have his victory parade when it is over and it is revealed that he quietly worked behind the scenes to keep the sport pure & good.

the world would be a dull place if everyone acted exactly as you think they should act.

What about how they think they should act? does that matter at all?

are you the only in the world who gets decide how people behave?

@irollthenickels said in #15:
> He doesn't need to be excused. He is a grown man. He can do as he pleases.
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> the world would be a dull place if everyone acted exactly as you think they should act.
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> What about how they think they should act? does that matter at all?
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> are you the only in the world who gets decide how people behave?

I am upset because it is rude and wrong to act as if the challenge of the second best player is below you and is uninteresting. I think it's rude. I would feel very slighted to see the best player in my country just turn his nose up at the challenge of the second best player, acting like they have outgrown the need to stoop down to that level...

I am not saying Magnus can't dress like a clown & squirt people in the face with water from a flower in his free time. I am not saying Magnus can't listen to Trap music and dye his hair blue and get a face tattoo... I am not even saying the man should be kicked out of FIDE.

I am saying it's crappy for the #1 player and world champion to not bother defending his title because he doesn't feel like it.

Where's the foulness in my comment?

Magnus is the champion regardless of whether he holds the title. He's the best player in the world by far.

The fact is that the second best player is very far below him. He stands no chance at all.

so if Magnus doesn't feel like it, he doesn't have to do it. I get that you're disappointed, but we have to let other people live their lives.

@irollthenickels said in #12:
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> ...no one is under any obligation to accept his opinion, nor does carlsen have a duty to provide evidence to "prove" his opinion.
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> ... people are idiots...

So, as the World Champion, he's quite alright to quit tournaments after being beaten by Niemann, quit matches against Niemann and then publicly state he won't play Niemann again, thus effectively forcing organisers to decide whether they're going to invite him or Niemann?

Effectively attempting to blackball another player out of professional involvement (i.e. his financial livelihood) in the game altogether without having a duty to provide any evidence whatsoever is ok? It's just his personal opinion? LOL.

Magnus is under no obligation to provide niemann a livelihood. That's niemann's responsibility.

the funny thing is, if hans wasn't such a twat magnus probably wouldn't have made a big deal about it.

Hans did this to himself.

@irollthenickels said in #19:
> Magnus is under no obligation to provide niemann a livelihood. That's niemann's responsibility.

LOL. He's under no obligation to provide him a livelihood but he certainly under an obligation to explain himself / provide proof if he's attempting to remove it...

The failure of some on these boards to dissociate Hans Niemann's actions - even if he was found to be the biggest online cheat of all time - from Magnus Carlsen's unethical behaviour is quite astounding.