Does anyone have any ideas on how to punish white for playing the Bishop's opening with the intent of trying scholar's mate? I've heard that Petrov's/Petroff's Defence is good.
Petrov's defense has nothing to do with the bishop opening. the first four moves are 1. e4 e52. Nf3 Nf6
After 1. e4. e5 2.Bc4 Nc6 3. Qh5 A quick Nf6 will show him who's boss! Make sure you really slam that piece down on the board though and stare your opponent in the eye to show that you're the one in control of the game.
"After 1. e4. e5 2.Bc4 Nc6 3. Qh5 A quick Nf6 will show him who's boss!"
@NeverBeenTimid
Nf6 runs into mate in one.
So therefore its best to play Nf6 first after Bc4. Then the queen cant come out.
1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6
or
1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nc6 3. Bc4 g6 4. Qf3 Nf6
@NeverBeenTimid
Nf6 runs into mate in one.
So therefore its best to play Nf6 first after Bc4. Then the queen cant come out.
1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6
or
1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nc6 3. Bc4 g6 4. Qf3 Nf6
This video has an interesting response to the wayward queen attack (same as scholar's mate, only the moves are in a different order) that can trap white's queen and put him in his place for trying the oldest trick in the book. Lots of fun when it works.
When it doesn't work, it's not a big deal. You'll probably win anyway because the players who use this opening are usually not very good at chess.
youtu.be/z585PZjuWAg
When it doesn't work, it's not a big deal. You'll probably win anyway because the players who use this opening are usually not very good at chess.
youtu.be/z585PZjuWAg
I remember the good old days when I beat all the other patzers at my school by scholars mates. Since I kept on winning by doing it my teacher banned me from beating people too quickly. So I had to learn to develop my pieces and not just attack with a queen and a bishop.
Gymhgy's line (Chapter 8) is the one I teach most of my students.
Also, 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nf6 3. Qxe5 is a sound gambit.
Either way, you won't totally refute the opening unless white makes additional errors. White loses a tempo or two but was ahead a tempo to start the game, so black might get a very slight edge, but you shouldn't expect more than this.
A common mistake new players make is to confuse the obviousness of an error with its magnitude. A mistake can be very obvious but also a small mistake.
Also, 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nf6 3. Qxe5 is a sound gambit.
Either way, you won't totally refute the opening unless white makes additional errors. White loses a tempo or two but was ahead a tempo to start the game, so black might get a very slight edge, but you shouldn't expect more than this.
A common mistake new players make is to confuse the obviousness of an error with its magnitude. A mistake can be very obvious but also a small mistake.
The given line is not a clear refutation.
2...Nf6 is a sound gambit indeed, but 3...Qe7 is not bad either, although it blocks the Bishop.
2...Nf6 is a sound gambit indeed, but 3...Qe7 is not bad either, although it blocks the Bishop.
Yes, 5. Ne2 is best, though what to do against 5. Qb3? is good to remember. In general it's good to analyze & be ready for the opponent's most forcing moves.
After 5. Ne2, what black did is OK, though other plans for black that I've played myself start with 6...d6 followed by either Na5 (grabbing the bishop pair) or Be6 (Bxe6 fxe6 and then after O-O, white's queen will soon have to move again).
For what it's worth, at depth 43 after 6. d3, Stockfish says -0.11 Na5, but at depth 46 it plays d6 Nbc3 Bg4, also with an eval of -0.11
After 5. Ne2, what black did is OK, though other plans for black that I've played myself start with 6...d6 followed by either Na5 (grabbing the bishop pair) or Be6 (Bxe6 fxe6 and then after O-O, white's queen will soon have to move again).
For what it's worth, at depth 43 after 6. d3, Stockfish says -0.11 Na5, but at depth 46 it plays d6 Nbc3 Bg4, also with an eval of -0.11
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