@ST4RSCR34M said in #18:
> @Nomoreusernames
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> Nobody except yourself (or maybe some other Hans stans
Don't try hide Danny Rensch's and Erik Allebest's appalling and unethical actions by accusing me of being a Niemann fan!
>who want to use a whataboutism to derail a conversation)
the topic is about Danny's BS, why are you accusing me of derailing the convo, when you have gone off topic not me?
>gives a crap about that video, nobody thinks damn I don't want to play on chess.com because they let Magnus accept moves from weaker players.
it's in their rules, you are not allowed to accept moves from other players, it's called "crowdsourcing"
>What people are worried about are engines and that is what will drive players off of a website.
What about those who are worried about teenagers being bullied?
> next don't conflate the inability to prove something as proof of the opposite.
You know I didn't because you didn't link the text. You are avoiding answering what you believe about the anal devices and Yosha's evidence, is that because you realise it's ridiculous now?
> That means Regan may have not proven Hans cheated, but he certainly didn't prove Hans did not cheat.
It is impossible to prove that someone didn't cheat, this is obvious to most people.
>He's only been known to be able to catch the most blatant of cheaters.
Actually he has suggested a number of anomalies and has reported them to Fide, but there has been no action, so you clearly have not even listened to what he has said, so you are just making stuff up or listening believing Hikaru's aspersions.
>Frankly he adds nothing to the discussion y'all need to stop talking about him.
If we shouldn't listen to the worlds leading expert on cheating in chess, is your suggestion that we should listen to Hiikaru?
>And frankly you need to stop making arguments of lack of evidence on anything UNLESS I actually tried to use it as >evidence which I have not,
You said "I think they would be far more concerned about their own reputation of harboring cheaters, especially a high profile one." I compared having video proof of other recent cheating, is Hikaru not high profile enough?
>because that is just another dishonest attempt to derail a conversation. Not derailing
the topic is about whether Danny Rensch's BS is wearing thin, and Prof Regan has clearly stated that the analysis does not show Niemann cheated, and does show that if he did cheat, he didn't benefit in chess results from it. That is a valid point in respect of Danny not coming clean about the allegations from the start.
> Frankly I really do not give a crap about finding out what exact method of cheating he used, I'm waiting on statistical evidence.
Chess.com have concluded that the statistical evidence they have does not show that he cheated
>and if they are only 95% certain I'm not gonna sweat the other 5%, I'm gonna expect them to ban his ass from OTB.
And what about the 100% of Hikaru cheating? Ban him also?
>If they can't prove anything then good for him but he needs to fix his attitude and stop acting suspiciously
What do you mean "acting suspiciously"? Is this your new level of proof?
I suspected that you were just not aware of the affect this would have on a teenager, but now I suspect that you can't handle accepting when you were wrong, and are trying to pretend you're not part of the bullying.
> @Nomoreusernames
>
> Nobody except yourself (or maybe some other Hans stans
Don't try hide Danny Rensch's and Erik Allebest's appalling and unethical actions by accusing me of being a Niemann fan!
>who want to use a whataboutism to derail a conversation)
the topic is about Danny's BS, why are you accusing me of derailing the convo, when you have gone off topic not me?
>gives a crap about that video, nobody thinks damn I don't want to play on chess.com because they let Magnus accept moves from weaker players.
it's in their rules, you are not allowed to accept moves from other players, it's called "crowdsourcing"
>What people are worried about are engines and that is what will drive players off of a website.
What about those who are worried about teenagers being bullied?
> next don't conflate the inability to prove something as proof of the opposite.
You know I didn't because you didn't link the text. You are avoiding answering what you believe about the anal devices and Yosha's evidence, is that because you realise it's ridiculous now?
> That means Regan may have not proven Hans cheated, but he certainly didn't prove Hans did not cheat.
It is impossible to prove that someone didn't cheat, this is obvious to most people.
>He's only been known to be able to catch the most blatant of cheaters.
Actually he has suggested a number of anomalies and has reported them to Fide, but there has been no action, so you clearly have not even listened to what he has said, so you are just making stuff up or listening believing Hikaru's aspersions.
>Frankly he adds nothing to the discussion y'all need to stop talking about him.
If we shouldn't listen to the worlds leading expert on cheating in chess, is your suggestion that we should listen to Hiikaru?
>And frankly you need to stop making arguments of lack of evidence on anything UNLESS I actually tried to use it as >evidence which I have not,
You said "I think they would be far more concerned about their own reputation of harboring cheaters, especially a high profile one." I compared having video proof of other recent cheating, is Hikaru not high profile enough?
>because that is just another dishonest attempt to derail a conversation. Not derailing
the topic is about whether Danny Rensch's BS is wearing thin, and Prof Regan has clearly stated that the analysis does not show Niemann cheated, and does show that if he did cheat, he didn't benefit in chess results from it. That is a valid point in respect of Danny not coming clean about the allegations from the start.
> Frankly I really do not give a crap about finding out what exact method of cheating he used, I'm waiting on statistical evidence.
Chess.com have concluded that the statistical evidence they have does not show that he cheated
>and if they are only 95% certain I'm not gonna sweat the other 5%, I'm gonna expect them to ban his ass from OTB.
And what about the 100% of Hikaru cheating? Ban him also?
>If they can't prove anything then good for him but he needs to fix his attitude and stop acting suspiciously
What do you mean "acting suspiciously"? Is this your new level of proof?
I suspected that you were just not aware of the affect this would have on a teenager, but now I suspect that you can't handle accepting when you were wrong, and are trying to pretend you're not part of the bullying.
