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How to Play Smart like That, but WITHOUT holes?

I did not say you were unclear. I said chess words are unclear. I think when trying to talk about chess, one should allow their using words to express something of the board, they are being courageous, and since we are all in the same boat of having to express in words what is primarily made of diagrams, we should be cool about our words not being fully communicative of the board many possible signals.

I say this is a process. And I don't blame you at all. It might be about the others, that are not trying to interpret what you say. We should all accept the inadequacy of one post one word, to represent something big like 2D spatial static and dynamic information.

I was myself more interested by the notion of smart move. Did i misunderstand that? ok "smart play", sorry, even more in the direction of what i understood. If pointless is about not part of a plan (smart play?) then I guess still more in the line of what I was thinking.

I think using words like tactical versus strategic, or short term versus long term (even better), or even positional (often used to mean not material gain) might help.

I also think we should all relax with word choices, but also realize that a game has many positions, and a position has many squares, and using a mere sentence would not cover it. Hence needing a thread to start a discussion to develop with more heads to the task. Unless, sigh!, you were expect royalty to come "down" here and share their secrets (kidding). The key is to realize that our heads can see more than our words can carry.. That ought to make the discussion effort going in a common direction...

Now I would have to go and follow the chess discussion in detail.. you got me... 2 pages not too bad. i will give it a try today..
I am going to work from the game page. i find this new embed a regression..
WITHOUT holes (public study from your game, does not have the SF graffitis on it).
lichess.org/study/FlcvlEL3/

I will come back .. maybe i should make the study private while I am parsing the thread. I am mostly speaking to op there. trying to first view the thread. I am not judging the person, just the posts content.

We can discuss later.. once I have oriented myself in this discussion.
I would love further discussion as below is inviting.. But I have stamina limitations. and many passions. and I forgot to eat.. ahhh.. chess!
The OP is playing the London.

Isn’t the long term plan to play in the center with E pawn push or to play on Kingside with an F pawn push?

The OP played Rc1 + Bf4 + c2 to c3 to c4
Isn’t this Queen side plan the wrong idea in the London?

If you was going to play Rc1 + Bf4 wouldn’t you just play Queens Gambit position with c2 to c4?

Is 2.c3 an ideal book move?
@X_Player_J_X said in #24:
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thanks for your post. I might take a while to come back to this.. I made the study private. but I wish to keep discussing. For me this is what a forum of peers can produce the best. And nothing prevents altitude peers to peek and join in to throw in their own wisdom (arguments we could also see, would be preferred over free but not autonomously visible knowledge). I find that discussions are the most noise free, when done well, means of communication about things hard to share, or to understand, by any of us.

edit: back to public. I don't know if you looked there. I am going post by post.. methodically with board in FOV­. It is difficult for me to be in text mode visual processing (reading) and board mode visual process (spatial), it seems.
I need my board story map to really digest the stringy verbal stuff. I learned that about myself here on lichess..
As if brain flow was so limited that I could not have both full speed.... So my ramblings there. might not be fair about the person, as they a analysing the posts toward my understanding. I don't know the best etiquette here. I am still a social online newbie that way (5 years old i would say).

edit: yes agreed looks like London ealry placement plan. but the light bishop went berserk. but the rook on c1 is a theme. the black on b ... I would need to think. but true that the op was indeed thinking plan.. i still think that is the "smart" and I would encourage that, in anyone playing chess no matter how newbie.
@dboing

I checked your study.
It is really cool.
I didn’t know people could do a study like that.

I will elaborate more so you can understand.
It will help you in your study.

In my post #3, I told the OP his moves 2.c3 & 9.Bxc6 are bad moves.
I told the OP he made hole at move 12.

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Lets start off at the beginning.
The move 2.c3 is bad because of multiple reasons:

1 - the C3 move only function is to defend the d4 pawn.
The problem is the enemy isn’t attacking the d4 pawn.

Our Queen is also defending the d4 pawn from the d1 square.
White has more important moves which need to be play vs. the c3 move.
White has no need to over protect the d4 pawn in this position

2 - the C3 move doesn’t develop a piece.
The move c3 helps black gain a lead in piece development.

They can develop pieces and get ahead of White.
This can cause White to be on the defensive vs. offensive.

3 - the C3 move doesn’t help White get King safety.
The move c3 doesn’t help White Castle in any way.

4 - the C3 moves reduces the activity of Whites own pieces.

Normally, The Knight on b1 has the power to jump to a3, c3, or d2.
The move c3 reduces the amount of squares our Knight can develop to which causes us to under develop.

5 - the C3 moves reduces our Chess Flexibility.
The C pawn on c2 still gives us the option of playing c2 to c4 (Queen Gambit type of position) or c2 to c3 (London position)
The C pawn on c2 leaves our opponent guessing and not knowing what we will play.

When white plays the move 2.c3, they reveal everything to the enemy.
The mystery in the position disappears.

The enemy knows at that point playing C2 to C4 is out of the question because it would be a wasted move.
Playing c2 to c3 to c4 takes 2 White moves, but it also gives Black 2 moves to do their plan or strategy.
Playing c2 to c4 takes only 1 White move which gives Black less moves to implement their plan or strategy against us.

6 - If you check Chess Opening Explorer, you will see the move c3 isn’t a top move on move 2
The majority of London players will play 2. Bf4 or 2.Nf3 above 2.c3

If the move 2.c3 was great move, the world would play it a lot.
It would be a top move in Opening Explorer, but it isn’t.

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The next move which is bad is 9. Bxc6.
The Light Square Bishop is the best minor piece for White in the London.

White places all there pawns on Dark Squares b2, c3, d4, e3, & f2
White creates a pyramid with his pawns all on Dark Squares.

As a result, The Light Squares in White Position are extremely weak.
White also creates a Square/Hole in their position.

The D3 Square is a weakness for White.
The way White plans to deal/fix the weakness is by putting their Light Square Bishop on the D3 Square as Body Guard.

The Light Square Bishop is the Guardian of the Light Squares for White.
It is the Super Star Minor Piece.

When White played his Light Square Bishop to b5 on move 7, it was a bad move.
Why? Because you want to keep your Super Star piece safe away from danger.

When White gave up his Light Square Bishop for Knight on c6 on move 9, it was a bad move.
Why? Because your Light Square Guardian is gone!

Who will defend your Light Squares after he leaves the board?
No one!

In addition, You should take a look at the Knight on c6.
What is Black Knight on c6 doing?

Can the Knight on c6 go to E5?
No, because the d4 pawn is defending

Can the Knight on c6 take the D4 pawn?
No, because the c3 & e3 pawns are defending

Can the Knight on c6 go to B5?
No, because the c3 pawn is defending

WHAT IS THE KNIGHT ON C6 DOING?
Absolutely nothing!

The Knight on c6 is 1 of Blacks worse pieces because Black put it on a square which makes it useless.
It is your job as a Chess player to make your pieces active.

White traded their super star Light Square Bishop for Blacks Knight which was completely useless.
You do see how bad that is?

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Now, let’s talk about move 12!
I said when White played 12. b4 it created a hole.
It created 2 holes actually!

The C4 Square & A3 Square because holes!
The D3 Square is a hole, but is an intentional hole which is made long before move 12.

I already explained how the London opening makes that hole on purpose with idea of putting Bishop their as Guardian.
White traded off his Guardian for no reason.

Now, Let’s talk about the dangers in the White position.
- The B5 Square is weak
- The C4 Square is hole
- The D3 Square is hole
- The A3 Square is hole

What does the above information tell you?
What it tells you is that white position is very vulnerable on the Queen side.

White has a lot of Weak Squares & Holes which white can no longer defend.
It is very difficult for White to defend all those areas.

What do you think Black should do in this position?

In the game, Black played in the center with the pawn push e5.
We sort of saw what happened afterwards.

You never want to attack your opponent where they are strong at
You want to attack your opponent where they are weak at

In this position, we know where white is weak at!
How do we attack white?

The move I would of played as black would of been 12...a5
Do you understand why?

White no longer has Light Square bishop, BUT BLACK STILL DOES!
Look at the b5, c4, & d3 squares!

What color are those squares?
Where do you think I plan to move my bishop?

The move a5 clears the way for my Black Light Square Bishop to snake his way into these vulnerable spots.
Every time white tries to trade off his Knight for Black Light Square Bishop.
Black will avoid the trade and move his bishop.

The Bishop will move around from b5 to c4 to d3 back and forth.
It will drive White player mad to see that bishop showing off his power!

In addition, the a5 pawn move also helps Black open up the A File.
The a3 Square is hole as we said.

Black could try to create a Battery with 2 rooks + Queen on the A File.
Image Rook on A3 + Queen on A7 + Rook on A8 + Light Square Bishop on c4!

All the above pressure coordinating on White poor A2 pawn.
How can White defend such a threat?

The OP talked about how he feels the “Rc1 move + Bishop on g3 attacking c7 pawn”
How can the Rook move to c1 if the enemy is bringing tons of pressure on white a2 pawn?

The player playing Black wasn’t good at reading the chess board.
The player playing Black chose to play on the wrong area.

When we look at the game does it look like white was under stress?
I think white was never under any pressure in this game.

It looks like White was playing peacefully.
Yeah
Geez, so many many many text, while Sense of All topic can be in 3 sentence Max
@X_Player_J_X said in #26:
> 5 - the C3 moves reduces our Chess Flexibility.
> The C pawn on c2 still gives us the option of playing c2 to c4 (Queen Gambit type of position) or c2 to c3 (London position)

Thanks for the detailed explanation! I'm still thinking about this 2.c3 flexibility issues.

Supposing one plays other than 2.c4, how long can be the choice between QG and London be kept? Let's say we are at a 4th move after

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bf4 e6

Would it still ok to play c4?
@OctoPinky said in #28:
> Thanks for the detailed explanation! I'm still thinking about this 2.c3 flexibility issues.
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> Supposing one plays other than 2.c4, how long can be the choice between QG and London be kept? Let's say we are at a 4th move after
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> 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bf4 e6
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> Would it still ok to play c4?

Actually, the flexibility can be maintained even longer vs. move 4.
It depends on what Black does, but I can give you a sample line.

1.d4 d5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. Bf4 e6

White will often play 4.e3 defending the Dark Bishop on move.
Black has few top moves at move 4.

Bd6, c5, Be7

If Black plays main move Bd6, White will capture the Bishop with his Bishop.
Than no matter how Black recapture White can strike with c4 and it would still be considered good move.

4. e3 Bd6
5. Bxd6 - Qxd6 or cxd6
6. c4

If Black plays 2nd most popular move c5, White usually don’t play c4 any more and instead plays c3 to protect d4 square.
This would be where white reveals themselves.

It’s all about keeping the mystery and flexibility alive.
So there is a point where Black can decide if White was playing QG or London?

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