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Suddenly, They Have So Little To Say

@Nomoreusernames said in #43:
> You made the claim, it's your job to prove it. Now come on, where are your manners? Apologise to VTWood, you're not a big boy unless you can say sorry when you're wrong.

There is no need for me to do anything, as I have gone over nothing can be proved by us one way or another. I say what I want. If that bothers you, block me.
WO_Schrodinger: "You're not a lawyer!"
VTWood: "Actually, I am."
You: "Well there you go. He's a lawyer."

Hans: "I'm not a cheater!"
Magnus: "Actually, you are."
You: "NOOO! You can't just expect us to take us at your word."

https://imgur.com/O4fdyKT
@WO_Schrodinger said in #51:
> There is no need for me to do anything, as I have gone over nothing can be proved by us one way or another. I say what I want. If that bothers you, block me.
I get it, you treasure lies to hide your ignorance, and calling people names to hide your fallacies. I mistook you for a little kid, but there are also adults with the mental intellect of 8 year olds, I just didn't want to assume.
@KingRod said in #52:

The image makes it look like you have a radioactive buzzer in your rear end, Kingcrod. Is that why you're clenching so hard?
@Nomoreusernames said in #53:
> I get it, you treasure lies to hide your ignorance, and calling people names to hide your fallacies. I mistook you for a little kid, but there are also adults with the mental intellect of 8 year olds, I just didn't want to assume.

I think you are taking this a little too seriously Mr. Thesaurus. Cheers
@WO_Schrodinger said in #55:
> I think you are taking this a little too seriously Mr. Thesaurus. Cheers
Sorry for the medium length sized words, Schrottdinger. You are a brat who doesn't say sorry when you are wrong, and calls people bad names to hide his lies. Is that easier for you?
To be clear- again- the only person to have cheated within years is Carlsen. Who then laughs and laughs when it happens. Do you think that someone who laughs when they do something wrong is better?

There is not much thought that goes into the attacks, it is pretty much the definition of thoughtlessness.

@Nomoreusernames, as difficult as it may be, the best course of action is to not engage with them as much as possible, and allow the moderators to take care of any infractions, which they do.

Even for me to tell the other guy, that his attacking @VTWood, who, is by the way, clearly telling the truth -- continued ad hominems etc. etc., in refusal to discuss, is against the rules, i.e., if I corrected him even this would be against the rules.

Wrong as what he and those on his side continue to do and embody, letting the mods do their thing is the only and best recourse.

Even if it takes time, it is still the most effective.

All of that is designed for several things, simplicity, reduce animosity or at least attacks, so on and so forth.

In any case, the main issue is really that Carlsen's statement of actions is:

"It is okay when I cheat." (Verbal acknowledgement followed by a minute + of laughter)
"If others win against me, should I so choose, I am allowed to insinuate, accuse, and attempt to blacklist them as much as I please."

Clearly these are exceedingly mature forms of the same thing when he rages, refuses to glance at the opponent, curses, etc. when he loses. Collusion and cheating are serious issues but seriously? If this has not shown that the greater problem is not the animosity/hatred that reckless and unhinged selfish behavior creates, then keep evaluating.

In any case, Grandmaster Niemann's response to what many or all clearly recognize as "fighting words," is with a lawsuit, so I guess or hope we can see some recourse.
@CooloutAC said in #14:
> Can't blame him for suing Hikaru. Hikaru is the whole reason he had to give the speech to alejandro in st louis. Hikaru is the first one who was calling him a cheater online and insinuated so for over a month. I found it cringeworthy and irresponsible. Its also pretty sad because Hans never cheated against Hikaru probably out of respect for his favorite chess player. And Hikaru is a guy who literally cheats for a living on his stream leading by example and is still pretending to be a professional chess player. I don't know how in the world he thinks in his mind online chess should be respected, when he is the face of it.

I can blame Hans for it definitely, you can't really sue someone just because you disagree with them or they hurt your feelings. Well technically you can try to but it's not going to go anywhere.

Obviously Hikaru is going to provide commentary on the issue and report on it, since it was big news. Hikaru is not the one that made the allegations, he talked about the issue and offered his own thoughts. He said he doesn't think he cheated but that Magnus thought something fishy was obviously going on - which is reasonable and within his right, it's the same thought many others had.

Even if Hikaru did think differently it still wouldn't matter.

There is no way Hikaru did anything out of order here.
@manavein said in #58:
> I can blame Hans for it definitely, you can't really sue someone just because you disagree with them or they hurt your feelings. Well technically you can try to but it's not going to go anywhere.
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> Obviously Hikaru is going to provide commentary on the issue and report on it, since it was big news. Hikaru is not the one that made the allegations, he talked about the issue and offered his own thoughts. He said he doesn't think he cheated but that Magnus thought something fishy was obviously going on - which is reasonable and within his right, it's the same thought many others had.
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> Even if Hikaru did think differently it still wouldn't matter.
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> There is no way Hikaru did anything out of order here.
Are u watching the same current events? Do you know what defamation is? I only heard Hikaru say he didn't cheat on lex Friedman after a month of him insinuating otherwise.
@CooloutAC said in #59:
> Are u watching the same current events? Do you know what defamation is? I only heard Hikaru say he didn't cheat on lex Friedman after a month of him insinuating otherwise.

Yes, he constantly says "I don't know if he cheated" or "I don't think he cheated," at least a dozen times (referring to OTB). It's just those parts don't get clipped and shipped.

Even if he does think that he can say whatever he thinks as long as he doesn't say he knows when he doesn't.

I am also aware of what defamation is. The elements to prove defamation are:

>To prove prima facie defamation, a plaintiff must show four things: 1) a false statement purporting to be fact; 2) publication or communication of that statement to a third person; 3) fault amounting to at least negligence; and 4) damages, or some harm caused to the reputation of the person or entity who is the subject of the statement.

-Legal Information Institute, Cornell

www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation

There is a legal differentiation between stating an opinion versus a fact. Additionally in some states like Missouri, case law suggests defamation to be precise (not too vague) and demonstrably false, nor do they have per se defamation so the plaintiff also has the burden of proof for damages, but at this point I digress.

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