Aborting a rated game should be a loss?

I'm sure this has come up before, but I couldn't find a thread of it.
In a rated game, if someone challenges you and then aborts before the first move, shouldn't that be a loss for them and a win for you? IRL if you are playing someone in a tournament and they don't show up to play then they lose. Right now all that happens is they get a warning they might get a temporary ban, but my time is wasted.

U mean the "entire" 20sec before the first move......

@llo00oll but with irl that game is not rated hence why you put + -
same with lichess its not rated because no game was played and thus there is nothing to rate
instead lichess warns them and will give them playtime bans that we cant see

" but my time is wasted."
your time is wasted anyway we here to play chess not to watch funny number go up

yes, irl you win a rated game if your opponent doesn't show up to play.

@llo00oll said in #4:
> yes, irl you win a rated game if your opponent doesn't show up to play.
nope you win a game but its not rated because no game was played

@llo00oll said in #4:
> yes, irl you win a rated game if your opponent doesn't show up to play.
You win in the sense that it counts as a win (one point) in a tournament if it's a tournament game. But this kind of win/loss does not affect your or your opponent's rating - which is exactly the same as here.

@llo00oll said in #1:
> In a rated game, if someone challenges you and then aborts before the first move, shouldn't that be a loss for them and a win for you? IRL if you are playing someone in a tournament and they don't show up to play then they lose. Right now all that happens is they get a warning they might get a temporary ban, but my time is wasted.

Technically it shouldn't be considered a loss (for whoever aborts a match), given the fact that the game never began as there was no input. Factually speaking, one can't lose nor win a game one hasn't started playing.

However, when it comes to tournaments it's a different story. With respect to tournament regulations one can indeed lose a game by not playing (regardless of any valid reason behind the lack of input), so to speak.

And understandably it doesn't apply to games outside a tourney wherein there's no governing entity enforcing this rule.

Moreover, with respect to the general code of conduct it's not advisable to abort games a considerable number of times (here on lichess) as it may lead to suspension.

@llo00oll said in #1:
> I'm sure this has come up before, but I couldn't find a thread of it.
> In a rated game, if someone challenges you and then aborts before the first move, shouldn't that be a loss for them and a win for you? IRL if you are playing someone in a tournament and they don't show up to play then they lose. Right now all that happens is they get a warning they might get a temporary ban, but my time is wasted.

Just to be absolutely clear what everyone is saying, Lichess treats games which are not started in exactly the same way as they are (generally) treated by OTB chess organisations. Ratings will not be adjusted, but in tournaments a win is indeed granted to the opponent for purposes of the tournament only.

I'm reminded of an old article I once read about corruption at the top levels of the game. A notoriously corrupt GM (whom I won't name despite the GM being now dead because I cannot personally vouch for the story's accuracy, but who was named in the article) had agreed beforehand with an opponent in a tournament to throw the game because the opponent needed a win for a title norm. On the day the "game" was due to take place, this GM did not even bother to get out of bed. The tournament organiser, apparently (shocklingly) in league with the GM's opponent, then telephoned his hotel with the information and request: "title norms can only be granted if the games have actually been played, so would Grandmaster M... kindly get dressed, come down to the tournament hall and lose the game properly?" which he did.

What about when I click on a game from the lobby but it literally changed just before I pressed it? from a classical game to a blitz game, I abort cause it's not the game I clicked on, I shouldn't lose any rating points for that now should I?
I agree people should lose points in Swiss tourneys for not making a move like when you don't start an arena game to stop so many absences in Swiss tourneys , on line is different xxx

Personally speaking, I don’t think anyone should dwell too long on ratings. Rating are just a number that helps the pair system give you a fair match. From experience, I often have gotten distracted by ratings which lead me to think “how am I supposed to win against a ____.” Or “This is going to be an easy match since I’m playing a _____”. This also has caused my gameplay in general to be sloppy at times, which is why I am an advocate for the turn of ratings setting.

Also, as a side note, if you play a player who aborts a game, and it gives you rating, you aren’t actually improving your chess skills, and in the long run, you’ll just play harder players and lose the rating you gain from your afk opponent.

Hope this helps!