Perhaps @NikosGeo should have read the part of the article that explains how being good at chess doesn't automatically make you an expert in certain other fields
@Shizwazoo "But the chance of those threats being followed up on Lichess.org is approximately zero."
Approximately or exactly? Because that's one murder of difference, which might be important for the author, who might still be interested in earthly life.
Approximately or exactly? Because that's one murder of difference, which might be important for the author, who might still be interested in earthly life.
#133 Small intermezzo.
A simple way to easily address this doubt is for everyone who actually finds this article to be mere propaganda is to recollect and honestly think about the female chess players who they've encountered in their personal life, and check on a rough basis how many of them continue to play chess seriously, for fun, or never at all.
Most people have been to clubs and played chess in real life in some way I assume so this would be a good start for bringing out the numbers. Compare this number to the number of male friends who are currently in the brackets I mentioned.
If someone thinks the numbers are close, then we can say at least the system is trying to be just. If not, my deduction would be that there exists a problem exasperated by this huge difference in numbers.
I make this suggestion by discounting all the personal problems one may have faced, just for an initial numerical calculation, which makes sense to me on face value to make deductions that clearly point to systemic problems of chronic nature.
A simple way to easily address this doubt is for everyone who actually finds this article to be mere propaganda is to recollect and honestly think about the female chess players who they've encountered in their personal life, and check on a rough basis how many of them continue to play chess seriously, for fun, or never at all.
Most people have been to clubs and played chess in real life in some way I assume so this would be a good start for bringing out the numbers. Compare this number to the number of male friends who are currently in the brackets I mentioned.
If someone thinks the numbers are close, then we can say at least the system is trying to be just. If not, my deduction would be that there exists a problem exasperated by this huge difference in numbers.
I make this suggestion by discounting all the personal problems one may have faced, just for an initial numerical calculation, which makes sense to me on face value to make deductions that clearly point to systemic problems of chronic nature.
that's a lot of words just to restate the "nature versus nurture" argument.
> it's not an outlier when every woman you speak to has stories about these exact experiences.
That depends. Falling down the stairs is an outlier on any individual local scale but everybody sooner or later falls down the stairs. If 1 out of 100 men is an asshole and every woman meets about 200 men (business, personal, strangers, whatever) in their life then surely they will meet at least one asshole even though being an asshole as a man is still an outlier.
Just look at online games. Rude players are outliers. But the problem is that if you play 10 games per day then you're playing with 100 (or even more for some games) different people so if only one in 200 is a rude player then your chance of getting one a day is ~50% even if rude players are actually rare. Now extrapolate to playing for weeks. Even if only one in *whoknowshowmany* is a rude player over weeks you meet thousands and thousands of online players so the chance of having one encounter with a rude player approaches 100% even though rude players are extraordinarily rare.
Luckily there's a very simply trick to live life: Make your own life better instead of making other people's life worse.
Yes, if you have a female sounding nick and play online you'll get asked for stuff and get sexual remarks. That's not nice but it's
also not accurate to assume that this represents the community as a whole because it's the same thing as above. It takes VERY few 'men' who behave inappropriately in order for every women to sooner or later experience such things.
That depends. Falling down the stairs is an outlier on any individual local scale but everybody sooner or later falls down the stairs. If 1 out of 100 men is an asshole and every woman meets about 200 men (business, personal, strangers, whatever) in their life then surely they will meet at least one asshole even though being an asshole as a man is still an outlier.
Just look at online games. Rude players are outliers. But the problem is that if you play 10 games per day then you're playing with 100 (or even more for some games) different people so if only one in 200 is a rude player then your chance of getting one a day is ~50% even if rude players are actually rare. Now extrapolate to playing for weeks. Even if only one in *whoknowshowmany* is a rude player over weeks you meet thousands and thousands of online players so the chance of having one encounter with a rude player approaches 100% even though rude players are extraordinarily rare.
Luckily there's a very simply trick to live life: Make your own life better instead of making other people's life worse.
Yes, if you have a female sounding nick and play online you'll get asked for stuff and get sexual remarks. That's not nice but it's
also not accurate to assume that this represents the community as a whole because it's the same thing as above. It takes VERY few 'men' who behave inappropriately in order for every women to sooner or later experience such things.
#138 I did tell you, but you (apparently) refuse to understand my argument. Go re-read if you like. I explained it well enough for a good faith reading to give you the gist of it.
#139 and what is your sample size?
Contrary to popular opinion, it is religious indoctrination which occurs at home that impedes personal aspirations of a person and more specifically so in the case of women, who are expected to run the household and relinquish their dreams. This is irrespective of the field one wants to achieve in.
Patriarchal societies confidently quote religious scriptures and ethics and their rules to confine women and it is certainly the case with respect to India. And most often than not, chess is dismissed away as a waste of time, with this being one of the reasons to not allow women to pursue it, when they should actually spend time serving.
Any effort that gives early financial independence to women is frowned upon even to this day, and with chess involving constant travel, some family member always has to accompany the player and bear with the indifferent treatment at every tournament in some way or the other. The system that exists therefore automatically discourages the parent too and a disinterest develops in their minds.
I speak wrt the aspect of physically playing tournaments which I have closely been a part of and witnessed.
Patriarchal societies confidently quote religious scriptures and ethics and their rules to confine women and it is certainly the case with respect to India. And most often than not, chess is dismissed away as a waste of time, with this being one of the reasons to not allow women to pursue it, when they should actually spend time serving.
Any effort that gives early financial independence to women is frowned upon even to this day, and with chess involving constant travel, some family member always has to accompany the player and bear with the indifferent treatment at every tournament in some way or the other. The system that exists therefore automatically discourages the parent too and a disinterest develops in their minds.
I speak wrt the aspect of physically playing tournaments which I have closely been a part of and witnessed.
I think that saying that women aren't welcome to chess is a stupid, and the example you give to prove this point is 40 years old, I mean, Kasparov and Fischer? we are using those ancient point of views to generalyse over our community? No one that I have ever known that plays chess has said that women shouldn't play, or were mean to them when iniciating. There may be cases, I am not saying that aren't any, but they're very rare.
I think that there actually may be actually a biological barrier, because you said that 15% of our community was female, and in the top 100 there is only ONE womean, and she is something like 80th. By no means I am saying that women are dumber, because the average IQ is 100 for both sexes, but this possibility should not be discarded because of a ideologial bias, and a thorough scientific research might be done about this before anyone say their opinion without knowing exactly what is happening.
I think that there actually may be actually a biological barrier, because you said that 15% of our community was female, and in the top 100 there is only ONE womean, and she is something like 80th. By no means I am saying that women are dumber, because the average IQ is 100 for both sexes, but this possibility should not be discarded because of a ideologial bias, and a thorough scientific research might be done about this before anyone say their opinion without knowing exactly what is happening.
#148 vishytheplayer adding religion to the discussion ftw...
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