@jammin3000 said in #11:
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>Maybe that is not proved or disproved by science or maybe geometrically it is possible and all this limits are just in your brain? I had this type of duscussion many times and i came to this conclusion:
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>Math is different but i can create hypothetical example where 2+2=5
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Dude but you have to have limits somewhere. If you are this open to literally anything being right/wrong, with close to no evidence, then you can't take a stand on anything. What if tomorrow gravity fails and you start to fall into the sky? Better stay inside and lock your doors? What if the laws of physics governing how a combustion engine works fail, and your car explodes? Better to never drive a car again?
Well then you better avoid doing anything that could potentially fail, because you don't trust physics anymore. And who knows if the flat earth is right about basic geometry, so we won't trust geometry anymore. Maybe your sense 3D spatial awareness is totally wrong and you're right next to a black hole. Better not move!
And you seemingly don't trust mathematics anymore, if you are seriously open to 2 + 2 = 5. Maybe you don't trust logic anymore either, which underlies math. If you have no standards then all of this goes out the window. In fact, you can't even think or construct sentences anymore, because don't those rely on logic too? Maybe Morpheus would say so.
So what are you going to do, when you have no standards left? Just huddle in the bed all day (and hopefully the bed doesn't explode randomly too)! You have to have SOME standards.
And as long as you have SOME standard, then some ideas will fall BELOW those standards. You can't just keep being open to every crackpot idea that you come across. Like are you seriously saying you are open to ALL ideas being possible? You think there is a serious chance you will wake up tomorrow on venus? Or that penguins will invade your hometown? Or would you say "yes" to these too? There is a famous quote that I normally dislike but it applies - "don't be so open minded, that your brain falls out" (no offense lol)
PS: To be clear, if you really want to, you can define number systems where 1 + 1 = 0 and weird stuff like that. But that is a very special case in higher order mathematics where you have a custom field of numbers...the point is with math you're really free to define a lot of things in counter-intuitive ways. But within our existing number system, it absolutely is wrong to say 2 + 2 = 5.
