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Do you think Kamala Harris beat Trump?

A currency can collapse, and a civilized nation can fail and fall into chaos -- for real -- if it ruins its own currency with debt that it cannot seriously repay except with figuratively just printing more and more currency.

The Weimar republic taught us that (as if it needed to be taught). But in the interests of politics and special interests, industrial and otherwise, many politicians and about a third of our country never saw a trillion that they didn't want to borrow and spend.

It was reported recently that we obtained eight new electric car charging stations for around a billion dollars apiece! If so, what a green triumph, eh? And those wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket. In the last few years, our currency has already lost about 20 percent of its general purchasing power at home (that's what inflation does). But the constant call for still more hundreds of billions of debt goes on and on and on and on.

National, economic reality is ignored in pursuit of individual benefit and narrow, angry politics pursuing personal power. Huge new debt is created to court voting blocks, like "college students." The clocks keep ticking and the vitriol continues.

That, it seems to me, is what most threatens our (representative) democracy.
@Raspberry_yoghurt said in #15:
> Yes it is and that is hugely important?
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> In my country right now, not far from Russia, politics is becoming about that we need to build bomb shelters because the ones from the cold war are in disrepair and people needing to have water for 3 days in case Russia makes a cyber attack and shuts out power grid down.
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> It's like cold war stuff again.
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> This stuff is directly related to Trump, because he and the Republicans want to stand by and let Putin do what he wants - and well, we relied on US for security for 70 years, it takes time for Europe to buold enough military stuff by ourselfves to counter Russia.
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> If Trump had not been a thing in US politics, we would not be worrying about bomb shelters now. It's a direct conseuence of the Republicans Russia-friendly attitude.
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> SO yeah, the only thing I cae about with Kamala Harris is that she isnt Trump. :) Because a Trump win would make things unsafer around here.
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> I thought Biden would loose, so am happy it seems she has a chance now.
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> Looks like she has a shot now, but IDK.

How the frak is the Ukrainian war my problem? (as an American) How?

seems to many of us Americans... that's on Europe's border not ours... it's time they pay the bill for a change!

MY AMERICAN POCKETS are done getting fleeced by every crook (domestic and international ) that comes to Washington and deposits money in off shore accounts.

PUTIN told Ukraine stop playing with the West... It's Ukraine right to act anyway they want... that said bad choices have dire political consequence... Just ask the Palestinian who support Hamas.

I support Trump because we are 36 trillion in debt ... and got that way being the world's punk!!!!
@InkyDarkBird said in #51:
> No, he did not.
> www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-trump-falsely-claims-credit-on-nato-spending
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> If you look at the second page of the following document, you will actually see that NATO spending was actually increasing before Trump took office. In addition, that spending growth massively increased in 2023, which is when Biden was in office.
> www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2023/7/pdf/230707-def-exp-2023-en.pdf

DID you really use PBS as a source ? Really? PBS??? Really? What partisan crud. What you going use mext... FACTCHECK.org, Politico? NPR?

and looking at your other source... did look at the details where it shows only a 3rd of Nato countries meeting the 2% budget Outside the USA and Great Britian all the other countries tin the "met the 2%" where the smallest in Europe ... where was France? Where was Germany...? Italy? etc... then you forget to look at the decades long trend during the cold war of these countries failing fulfill their end of the funding.

www.forcesnews.com/news/how-has-nato-defence-spending-changed-over-time

WHEN READING THIS ARTICLE .... PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION THE FOLLOWING;

In 2020, the spending of the NATO alliance increased for the sixth consecutive year.

The UK is one of only 11 that currently meets that target.

When comparing the expenditure of NATO's European member states and that of NATO North America (US and Canada) in the same timeframe, the latter generally outweighed the former.
This difference was at its greatest in 1952, when the US and Canada spent nearly five times as much - US$49.47 billion compared with NATO Europe's US$10.23 billion.

FACT IS EVEN WITH THE spending of the NATO alliance increasing for the six consecutive years... THEY WERE WAY BEHIND.
WHILE AT THE SAME TIME WE I.E. AMERICA IS MIRED IN DEBT! TO THE TUNE THAT IF ALL THE CREDITORS CALLED IN THE DEBTS..... EVERY AMERICAN WOULD OWE $200,000

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW TRUMP ISN'T ON THE RIGHT TRACK ... CALLING THIS OUT? WALK ME THROUGH YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS...
@PaulC123 said in #63:
> DID you really use PBS as a source ? Really? PBS??? Really? What partisan crud. What you going use mext... FACTCHECK.org, Politico? NPR?
What's wrong with PBS? Stop fearmongering and provide actual data.
You did not dispute the statements made in the article anyways, so you might as well concede that Trump did not impact NATO spending.

> then you forget to look at the decades long trend during the cold war of these countries failing fulfill their end of the funding.
The 2% guideline was only established in 2014.

> EXPLAIN TO ME HOW TRUMP ISN'T ON THE RIGHT TRACK ... CALLING THIS OUT? WALK ME THROUGH YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS...
I apologize for providing an outdated source. Here is a newer one.
www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-2024-en.pdf
As you can see, the large majority of NATO countries are following the 2% guideline.
What does pulling out of NATO do anything for the US? An extra 3.5% of our GDP is not going to do much when Trump has promised to deport illegal immigrants (massive job loss) and provided tax cuts for the rich when he was in office (www.brookings.edu/articles/what-will-happen-to-the-trump-tax-cuts-in-2025-and-how-will-they-affect-the-national-debt/).
The United States will harm its relationship with Europe over such petty matters.

@PaulC123 said in #62:
> I support Trump because we are 36 trillion in debt ... and got that way being the world's punk!!!!
Trump added $8.4 trillion to the national debt while in office.
@Raspberry_yoghurt said in #1:
> I don't know much about her neither how popular she is.
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> Can she do it?'
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> (I mean in the presidential election)

I hope. I'm worried she can't, worried that as I suspect deep down, there are too many racist, sexist pigs in the US, too many people who have long since chugged the Trump kool-aid, but I'm cautiously optimistic.

She certainly comes across so far as more intelligent than Trump. A better orator than Trump, more poised, polished and put-together than he is. We'll just have to wait, see and vote for whoever we think is the best choice.
@Raspberry_yoghurt said in #59:
> LMAO This is just really dumb. Sorry, but it is mindblowing you're not aware of what the EU is.

Still no sources

> Let me tell you how to compare aid from USA and Europe:

> 1) Add ALL the aid from Europe together. The aid from all the individual countries and the EU and tthe other European organizations.'

The US is one country, the UE isnt.
Even if you add them all up. Once averaged, the US is sending 3 or more times more than any singular country.

> Also factor in that some countries like France do not publish any numbers, they just send aid in secret. You just know they did t because suddenly a bunch of French gear show up on the batthefield.

So, if its secret, how do you know its more than the US?

> 2) Compare that number to the aid from USA.

I mean, you can break the numbers from the articles and sum them up.

USA : 175~ Billion.
Germany: 17.7 Billion
UK: 9.1 Billion
Denmark: 8.4 Billion
The actual EU 5.6 Billion + 5 Billion promised.
Netherlands: 4.44 Billion
Norway: 3.8 Billion
Poland: 3 Billion
Canada: 2 Billion (Which isnt European)
Sweeden: 2 Billion
Without including the US = 61~ Billion. (Which is around what the US alone approved this year 3 months ago)

There are many other countries and companies that have donated equipment and money, but it is even too low to add to the list.

And there is the hidden France number. If the EU combined has donated more than the US, then that hidden France number should be at least 115 Billion, which is not even possible. It wont even be 10 Billion.

Sure, the amount may vary if they have already approved another chunk, but still, not only adding all the aid from Europe combined matches what the US has provided. Not alone, not combined. And still no sources.

The US has already provided so much money sent to the toilet while their basic goods, housing and a depreciation of the income of the regular citizen is making them struggle to barely afford living, and that crisis its not temporary, that will happen for the entire generation, they are already sunk in debt (that they didnt even acquired for themselves). Sending more aid will destroy the economy of the regular citizen more than already is. It is not their problem.
@PaulC123 said in #62:
> How the frak is the Ukrainian war my problem? (as an American) How?

Because if Russia wins

a) The entire world will see USA as weak and unreliable, and it will be much harder for US to get anybody to respect their will. When people think you're weak and spineless, nobody wants to do as you say.

b) Russia will continue their expansion later on, they'll take US trrain and reduce the US sphere of influence.

> seems to many of us Americans... that's on Europe's border not ours... it's time they pay the bill for a change!

Because you're ignorant and unenducated.


> PUTIN told Ukraine stop playing with the West... It's Ukraine right to act anyway they want... that said bad choices have dire political consequence... Just ask the Palestinian who support Hamas.

What a sick and wtisted comparison?

Hamas murdered 1000 Israelis on October 7th.

Ukraine never attacked or bothered Russia, Russia attacked Ukraine.

It's very sick to twist it like that and pretend that Russia was attacked.


> I support Trump because we are 36 trillion in debt ... and got that way being the world's punk!!!!

Trump also got you more debt, It is SUPER easy to google that and veryfy it.

I'm not even American, and I know that.

Kinda mind boggling you can live in USA and you're interested in your debt but not even able to google when it goes up lol
Obama doesn't think Harris can beat Trump and hasn't endorsed her. Harris would not be the Democrat candidate if she hadn't been picked as the VP by Biden. Historically, Harris has been a terrible candidate, worse than Hillary who actually had some brains. I think Biden specifically said he wanted a woman of color as his VP and Harris happened to be on the shortlist. There are far better candidates in the Democrat party, but Harris was "next" in line so was appointed.

It will be a tough race, but Harris is unlikable and incompetent, by all accounts (outside of the corporate news).
@InkyDarkBird said in #69:
> This is false.

Ok, so Obama finally endorsed her yesterday (sorry, I didn't notice).

@InkyDarkBird said in #69:
> This is also false.
> elections2024.thehill.com/national/harris-trump-general/

According to 538, Harris has a disapproval rating of 50% (which has been as high as 56%) and an approval rating of less than 40% (which has been as low as 35%). People do not really like her, but now the party is stuck with her.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/kamala-harris/

This article is about how VP aides endure a "soul crushing" environment of unreasonable criticism and eventually quit. These aides are idealistic people who agree with Harris politically, enjoy working at the White House, but can't stand working under Kamala. Thus, I am of the opinion that Harris is unlikable in general.
www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-former-staffer-soul-destroying-criticism-aides-report-2021-12?op=1

Kamala knew about Biden's declining mental state--everyone close to him had to know--yet she covered it up just like the corporate press. That speaks to incompetence and bad judgement. If Biden isn't competent to run, he isn't competent to hold the office. Yet we are expected to believe everything is ok, and Harris is happy to campaign on his coattails.
www.cbc.ca/news/world/special-counsel-faculties-biden-analysis-1.7109811

Sure, Harris is doing a "great" job and is a "great" candidate. Whatever you say.

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