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Take a Poll: Should Russia be removed from UN Security Council?

1. On Relevance: The War with Mexico was based around the legal Texas annexation, which directly relates to my point that the US wasn't initiating conflicts as a means of global dominance at the expense of the Russkis, since Texas was legally (see below) part of the US. Was Freud particularly involved in the premise-conclusion format of logic?

Technically, neither the Spanish or Mexican wars change the isolationist stance of the US, anyways, but I thought it would be nice if I put them in perspective. Relative isolationism was pursued as a policy until Theodore Roosevelt became president.

2. On Legality of the Texas Annexation: Actually, the Texas Annexation was completely legal, as far as I understand. Texas, by that time a legally independent state following the Velasco Treaties, voted to join the United States. The United States, also an independent state, voted to peacefully annex Texas. War was legally declared by both sides.

Oxymorons are inherently opposite concepts. Annexation can occur legally-- it's just rare.

Note the order of events and the status of the parties. If a country were to, say, act unilaterally to force a vote within the borders of another state via the use of arms to legitimize an annexation, THAT would be illegal. See the difference? Mexico had already signed a treaty which guaranteed Texian independence. Your analogy would only work if Donetsk had already signed a treaty with Ukraine establishing Donetsk as an independent state prior to the Russian invasion.

Perhaps more importantly, if you're forced to use misconstrued legal precedent from 1840s American foreign policy to justify a 21st century invasion, you need to reevaluate your stance. In the 1840s, black slaves were legally counted as 3/5ths of a whole person.
Heck, what if you were right about the Mexican War being illegal? You might have just admitted Russia's guilt.

3: See above. I note with interest your omission of Mexico's recognition of Texian independence.

4: "Annexation" was the term used in the legal documents of the time. In this case, it is not used with a derogatory connotation
As for Mexico's recognition of Texas, I would again point to the Treaties of Velasco.
As for the "world dominance" bit, that was related to discussion of isolationism.

My advice: spend less time failing at psychoanalyzing the posts of others and more time trying understand the surface-level meaning.
@DERG_CHESS said in #62:
> So if i can speak Chinese, i should move over there?

No. Specifically in this case the reason for Putin invading was to "protect" the Russian speakers in East Ukraine. This was not a valid reason to invade and kill people in the whole country.
@DERG_CHESS said in #64:
> And destroy a "naz*" goverment

Russia is the naz* govt. terrorists. Both countries have corrupt people but they are not all corrupt. They need freedom of speech.
Ukraine is not nazi. That is fake news.
@greybishop99 said in #65:
> Russia is the naz* govt. terrorists. Both countries have corrupt people but they are not all corrupt. They need freedom of speech.
> Ukraine is not nazi. That is fake news.
IK. tht is why i put ", just like the guy saying "protect", i am not stupid enough to think a jewish president is nazi....
@ARA234 said in #16:
> Learn history. :) Territory of modern Ukraine is the motherland of Russia and Kiev was an ancient capital of Russia untill mongols burned it out and killed most of citizens. Moscow was a province and a backwater at that time. After that this territory was almost empty for hundreds of years. Also ukrainians are natively Russians and represent various adventurers who fled here from Russia.
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> Imagine that in the Middle Ages the French plundered the south of England and a new state gradually formed there - say, an Outskirts with a capital in London. And its inhabitants began to call themselves Outskirtians. France gradually instilled in them a hatred of the English living further north. As a result we got 2 countries - England with the British in the north and the Outskirts with the Outskirtians in the south and the Outskirtians consider themselves not British but Outskirtians and hate the British.
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> In the very north of the Outskirts there were still people who consider themselves British and want to unite but the Outskirtians under the direct leadership of the French began to bomb and kill them which caused indignation of the British in the north. For long 8 years the Outskirtians have been killing their own citizens who consider themselves British until finally England's patience has run out. But when England invaded the Outskirts to protect the British, France and all its allies began to help the Outskirts in every possible way with a lot of weapon etc.
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> And the goal of all this is in the north of England there are very rich deposits of oil and gas that the France very need.
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> This is exactly what happened with Ukraine.
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> I don’t know who wins in a real war actions, judging by the territory most likely Russia. But in the war of Propaganda, Russia is clearly suffering a crushing defeat.

OK, i'll give you some history lessons

You can't call Kyiv the capital of Russia `cause Russia has only existed for a few hundred years. It was Muscovy from the 13th century, and after that Russia was created as an empire to satisfy the emperor's pride. Russia is a country 404 parasitizing on the Rurikovich, the existence of which has not been proven. And of course in Rus', although Rus' ≠ Russia

Ukrainians are the direct heirs of the Rusyns, and the Russian heirs of the Muscovites and the nation mixed with the Mongols

imma not racist and have nothing against it, but it's just a history lesson
@greybishop99 said in #65:
> Russia is the naz* govt. terrorists. Both countries have corrupt people but they are not all corrupt. They need freedom of speech.
> Ukraine is not nazi. That is fake news.

I received my education at a European-style Ukrainian university. it was a city 30 km from the border with Russia and no one liked Russians there, but also no one behaved aggressively towards them
This is very funny, considering how the Russian media is trying to prove the image of Russophobia

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