Russia vs Ukraine war: take a stand

@qbot said in #39:
> Really? You Caribbean missiles crisis? You really suppose it'll be going like that?

We're not talking about our governments right now, we're talking about what you and what I think is right.

Apparently, you think its okay for your government to invade a sovereign nation and kill children if there's nukes in a neighboring country.

I, however, would not and never have supported my country meddling in the affairs of other countries making decisions for themselves. At least I have the freedom to say so without 15 days in jail.

Also, you have no idea of global economics if you think the effects of these sanctions on both our countries will be anywhere close to the same. Your government is about to default on its bonds. Do you have any idea what's going to happen to your country when that occurs?

@qbot said in #40:
> China playing their own game. Other countries are trying to take their own benefits.
> I ensure that blowback of financial sanctions you'll perceive till the end of this year. Just remember my words. It works in both sides.

Average citizens in the Ukraine are taking up arms and risking their lives to defend their freedoms , non combatants are facing armed Russian troops and rebuking and protesting against them for taking part in the invasion.

The very least the rest of the world can do is accept financial hardships to honor those brave souls.

@Sleepy_Gary said in #42:
> Also, you have no idea of global economics if you think the effects of these sanctions on both our countries will be anywhere close to the same. Your government is about to default on its bonds. Do you have any idea what's going to happen to your country when that occurs?

Of course, I'm not an economist. But the global world order (Pax Americana) is ruining right now. Don't you see it? If so, you'll perceive it very soon. Today BMW and Volkswagen halted their plants in Europe as Financial Times reports. It's just a first martlets (its a Russian idioma, I don't know the analog in English, it mean the beginning of something). And this crisis will be very hard for whole world. Non-liberal economists predicted that long ago.

@Sleepy_Gary said in #41:
> We're not talking about our governments right now, we're talking about what you and what I think is right.
>
> Apparently, you think its okay for your government to invade a sovereign nation and kill children if there's nukes in a neighboring country.
>
> I, however, would not and never have supported my country meddling in the affairs of other countries making decisions for themselves. At least I have the freedom to say so without 15 days in jail.

Believe me or not, I can do the same. You don't know political situation in Russia from inside, as I don't know political situation in the US. Biden or Trump, your presidents - your problems. When you are talking about people, who spent 15 days in prison, you are talking about Russian so-called 'liberal opposition'. All these men are pro-American and exists with financial and political endorsement of the US and the EU. (By the way, thats your money too if you are paying taxes :) )

In Russia I always able to receive information from different points of view if I want. In my country I received a school education, high education, PhD degree free of chdrge. Didn't pay any ruble. And I'm grateful to my country for that. I don't want a liberal order in Russia.

@qbot said in #45:
> In Russia I always able to receive information from different points of view if I want. In my country I received a school education, high education, PhD degree free of chdrge. Didn't pay any ruble. And I'm grateful to my country for that. I don't want a liberal order in Russia.

I thought that 45th was Putin's slave. So I'd say 45th is yours. ;-P

@bfchessguy said in #46:
> I thought that 45th was Putin's slave. So I'd say 45th is yours. ;-P

No, he wasn't, although he tried very hard to be....; )

@CooloutAC said in #32:
> Ukraine is not bombing their own hospitals and apartment buildings for the cameras or mortaring families and shooting journalists in the streets for sympathy.

No, my friend. Thats exactly what Ukraine do. Just one case: murdering of American journalist Brent Renaud.
'According to Ukrainian officials, Renaud was shot and killed by Russian soldiers in Irpin, Kyiv Oblast, Ukraine, while covering the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.Two other journalists were injured and taken to a hospital.' Quatation from Wikipedia. On March 13 Irpin, Kyiv Oblast, Ukraine were under total control of Ukranian army. Renaud's collegue reported they were under fire just after passing the checkpoint. They turned back, fire didn't stop. So who and by what reason started to shoot remain unknown so far. But of course Western machine of propaganda is claiming this Russia did.
It's just a single case. I can find a lot more if you want.

@bfchessguy @chesseater78 Good trolling guys. But keep it for yourself.

@qbot said in #48:
>So who and by what reason started to shoot remain unknown so far. But of course Western machine of propaganda is claiming this Russia did.
> It's just a single case. I can find a lot more if you want.

So now Aljazeera is a member of the western propaganda machine. Not sure money for your education was well spent. lol

Here is what they published:

" An American journalist was killed in Ukraine when he and a colleague came under fire near the capital, Kyiv, regional police and a government official have said.

Russian troops opened fire on the car of Brent Renaud and another journalist in Irpin, about 10km (6 miles) northwest of the capital, the Kyiv police force said in a statement on Sunday. It said the injured journalist was taken to a hospital in Kyiv.

The adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister, Anton Herashchenko, confirmed the incident on a Telegram channel.

There was no immediate comment from the Russian authorities. " - Aljazeera, March 13th, 2022