Are you a fan of Elon Musk?

@polylogarithmique said in #28:
> Unless I missed some episodes, it was a business operation.
> Step 1: hey Ukraine, you want some free Internet? Here, take my free Internet.
> Step 2: I can't keep paying for Ukraine's free Internet forever, so US government please give me big bucks so that Ukraine can keep having free Internet.

To be honest, I didn't really keep up with that whole saga. I view rich people simply as people who have more money than I do, and I don't see the point in giving them more attention (either good or bad) just because of their wealth.

@clousems said in #31:
> To be honest, I didn't really keep up with that whole saga. I view rich people simply as people who have more money than I do, and I don't see the point in giving them more attention (either good or bad) just because of their wealth.
I view powerful people simply as people who have more power than I do, and I don't see the point in giving them more attention (either good or bad) just because of their power.

@Tim_Pool said in #10:
> Aren't you the guy that insists I voted for Trump lol. Get off my back troll.
I don't think so. I don't give your voting choices much thought.
My comment was simply a reaction to your claim that Marx's goal was to bring the proletariat and the bourgeois together and the resulting analysis you provided.

Maybe you were referencing Harpo instead of Karl?

@polylogarithmique said in #32:
> I view powerful people simply as people who have more power than I do, and I don't see the point in giving them more attention (either good or bad) just because of their power.

Fully realizing where this is going, I have to admit that I'd agree with that to some degree. I'm really lazy.

@clousems said in #31:
> ... rich people ...
> I don't see the point in giving them more attention (either good or bad) just because of their wealth.

they have more power to do purchases (e.g. buy a corrupt politician that will raise tax for the poor/middle class or built a nuclear power plant in your back yard to exaggerate a bit). ofc you need to give the super rich more attention. you dont need to follow them or watch any talks of theirs, but a brief documentary here and there, some googling when you hear it from the news after your vacation. doesnt hurt to keep in touch.

there are probably not many developed countries that arent affected by musk one way or another and the sattelites are a prime example that affects the whole globe.
e.g. in germany he made a tesla plant in a completely unfit region with not enough water. this will cause allot of problems and thus incredible amounts of tax money to fix over the coming years.

@polylogarithmique said in #32:
> I view powerful people simply as people who have more power than I do, and I don't see the point in giving them more attention (either good or bad) just because of their power.

Too High Risk (if its interpreted as bad attention) / Too Low Reward (if its interpreted as good attention) ?

That sounds like they made you don't have the initiative in your chessgame, being a re-active "Yes-man" at their "world corporation table"; rather than being pro-active to whatever your goals are. (whether it includes them, or not - giving them the feedback and attention they deserve about their high level of power).

Where's the gusto? (zeal) for your own life? Challenge, imo: Don't let the powerful craft you into being more "lazy" or "supressed" than your true nature is. Your life matters!!

@Approximation said in #36:
> Too High Risk (if its interpreted as bad attention) / Too Low Reward (if its interpreted as good attention) ?
>
> That sounds like they made you don't have the initiative in your chessgame, being a re-active "Yes-man" at their "world corporation table"; rather than being pro-active to whatever your goals are. (whether it includes them, or not - giving them the feedback and attention they deserve about their high level of power).
>
> Where's the gusto? (zeal) for your own life? Challenge, imo: Don't let the powerful craft you into being more "lazy" or "supressed" than your true nature is. Your life matters!!
That sounds like you can't read sarcasm. Have a good day.

@polylogarithmique said in #37:
> That sounds like you can't read sarcasm. Have a good day.

Mostly True.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pf72z

@Rookitiki said in #29:

> Earth’s orbit isn’t a vast no man’s land. Uncontrolled and also intended crashes are happening as we speak. Musk wants to send 40000 more up.
> Tricky situation.

From Matthew King's "Spoiling the Last Frontier," Baffler (issue 61), p. 59:

thebaffler.com/salvos/spoiling-the-last-frontier-king

"There is a long and complex list of reasons for why “cleaning up” space debris is impractical. For starters, the task of capturing or deorbiting a perpetually spinning object traveling at thousands of miles per hour is arguably more technologically daunting than landing a person on the moon. And for a reactive, rather than preventative, approach to succeed, you’d have to repeat the task tens of thousands of times, while somehow not generating any new debris from your celestial garbage truck."

But like yay Elon Musk or something.

@Cassiodorus1 said in #39:
> "There is a long and complex list of reasons for why “cleaning up” space debris is impractical. For starters, the task of capturing or deorbiting a perpetually spinning object traveling at thousands of miles per hour is arguably more technologically daunting than landing a person on the moon. And for a reactive, rather than preventative, approach to succeed, you’d have to repeat the task tens of thousands of times, while somehow not generating any new debris from your celestial garbage truck."
>
> But like yay Elon Musk or something.

Maybe, we should practice the "celestial garbage truck" model on the oceans of Earth, first, because cruise ships are more relevant to people in the here and now, rather than space ships, with regards to travel. Also, floating garbage, whether it floats in outer-space or in the oceans, I think, doesn't work long-term, even though in the short-term, the trash isn't local, and seems to help the situation.

It would be nice if the world's garbage had a collection point, on a selection of un-inhabited or desserted island, with negative real-estate value, where there were companies that organized and re-used, the trash, and anyone in the world can pay for its resources (one man's trash is another man's treasure), at discounted rates.

Once we have that ocean model figured out; we can do the same thing in outer-space, making the space debris have a collection point, organizing it, etc. but, because the cost of the outer-space model cleanup is greater, so would the benefit of paying for that garbage heap, have to be - I'd think.