Suggestion: i think Lichess should notify users of every result of a report. Either there is a punishment or not. It would improve the quality of reports and the image Lichess passes to users. Because, right now, to be honest, the image i have is not very good. Not when it comes to reports and punishments.
So you were thinking more like a torture chamber?
Yes, Lichess should answer to our reports.
@MrPushwood said in #2:
> So you were thinking more like a torture chamber?
How exactly in your mind does a notification compares to a torture chamber?
> So you were thinking more like a torture chamber?
How exactly in your mind does a notification compares to a torture chamber?
Any minute a lichess volunteer spends on writing an answer is not available for checking other reports.
@sheckley666 said in #5:
> Any minute a lichess volunteer spends on writing an answer is not available for checking other reports.
This. I would amend it to: Any minute a volunteer spends on writing an answer is not available for their other hobbies, chores, or spending time with friends or family. The task of investigating reports of bad behavior is thankless, but somehow lichess has volunteers to do it.
> Any minute a lichess volunteer spends on writing an answer is not available for checking other reports.
This. I would amend it to: Any minute a volunteer spends on writing an answer is not available for their other hobbies, chores, or spending time with friends or family. The task of investigating reports of bad behavior is thankless, but somehow lichess has volunteers to do it.
Quite a reasonable and player-respecting suggestion so never it will be approved
P.S.
Which volunteer time r u talking about? Have u heared about scripts?
P.S.
Which volunteer time r u talking about? Have u heared about scripts?
@sheckley666 said in #5:
> Any minute a lichess volunteer spends on writing an answer is not available for checking other reports.
It can easily be an automated message. When a moderator makes the decision, the appropriate message is sent out to the reporter.
> Any minute a lichess volunteer spends on writing an answer is not available for checking other reports.
It can easily be an automated message. When a moderator makes the decision, the appropriate message is sent out to the reporter.
Currently, this is the message you receive (via the notification bell) if someone was banned based (at least in part) on information you provided:
> Someone you reported was banned[.]
> Thank you!
And naturally, if a thread is closed or deleted, that's noticeable on its own. There's no need to be told what you can see for yourself. Likewise, if nothing is done, why would you need to be told "Nothing has been done"? If you're not notified of a ban, and nothing is closed or deleted, you can safely assume the case was reviewed, but no overt action taken. Which is surely all the feedback you could possibly require concerning your reports. Perhaps (1) a warning was deemed sufficient, and issued; or (2) you were overzealous in submitting that report. Either way, don't worry about it. It's in the moderators' hands now. Should a one-time offender repeat his offense, rest assured the record will weigh against him. Or if he doesn't repeat it, clearly no further action was needed. :-)
So I don't understand what you want, or in any case why you want it. I think the current system works just fine. We are told what we need to know (i.e., what we can't easily determine on our own), but aren't troubled with what we can plainly see for ourselves, or news of things that haven't happened. ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄ Honestly, what more do you want?
Finally, #2 above is right to make light of your grim suggestion. Reports are sadly sometimes necessary / helpful, but the last thing we want is for the whole site to be built around them --- users treating warnings as if they were the same thing as bans; keeping track of one-time offenders, and comparing notes with their fellow reporters --- like some sort of police state. . . . By nature, reports ought to be discreet. You should only report behavior that's egregious (don't spam reports frivolously, or you yourself will be muted, like the boy who cried wolf), and then the problem should be quietly swept under the rug. This is for the best, for everyone concerned.
There's only one scenario where you need to be notified --- i.e., when a user you reported was banned --- and you are already notified when this happens. In all other scenarios, just be content knowing you have brought it to the moderators' attention. Once it's in their hands it's out of yours. Sure, dirt needs cleaning up, but the less said about that the better. Ideally, it's no one's business apart from the person affected and the site staff. For the rest of us, life goes on as if it never happened. :-) And I for one like it that way. The last thing I want is to see negative results in my notifications every time I come here. ("Today we didn't do anything either.") What is even the point?
> Someone you reported was banned[.]
> Thank you!
And naturally, if a thread is closed or deleted, that's noticeable on its own. There's no need to be told what you can see for yourself. Likewise, if nothing is done, why would you need to be told "Nothing has been done"? If you're not notified of a ban, and nothing is closed or deleted, you can safely assume the case was reviewed, but no overt action taken. Which is surely all the feedback you could possibly require concerning your reports. Perhaps (1) a warning was deemed sufficient, and issued; or (2) you were overzealous in submitting that report. Either way, don't worry about it. It's in the moderators' hands now. Should a one-time offender repeat his offense, rest assured the record will weigh against him. Or if he doesn't repeat it, clearly no further action was needed. :-)
So I don't understand what you want, or in any case why you want it. I think the current system works just fine. We are told what we need to know (i.e., what we can't easily determine on our own), but aren't troubled with what we can plainly see for ourselves, or news of things that haven't happened. ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄ Honestly, what more do you want?
Finally, #2 above is right to make light of your grim suggestion. Reports are sadly sometimes necessary / helpful, but the last thing we want is for the whole site to be built around them --- users treating warnings as if they were the same thing as bans; keeping track of one-time offenders, and comparing notes with their fellow reporters --- like some sort of police state. . . . By nature, reports ought to be discreet. You should only report behavior that's egregious (don't spam reports frivolously, or you yourself will be muted, like the boy who cried wolf), and then the problem should be quietly swept under the rug. This is for the best, for everyone concerned.
There's only one scenario where you need to be notified --- i.e., when a user you reported was banned --- and you are already notified when this happens. In all other scenarios, just be content knowing you have brought it to the moderators' attention. Once it's in their hands it's out of yours. Sure, dirt needs cleaning up, but the less said about that the better. Ideally, it's no one's business apart from the person affected and the site staff. For the rest of us, life goes on as if it never happened. :-) And I for one like it that way. The last thing I want is to see negative results in my notifications every time I come here. ("Today we didn't do anything either.") What is even the point?
I just want to add that I find the practice of "minimodding" --- that is, users behaving as moderators themselves (or at least as what they imagine a moderator to be), warning & threatening other users --- more annoying than any spam. ;-( And I'm sure the last thing Lichess wants is to encourage such behavior. IMO, a version of this forum where everyone accused everyone else of "spamming" all the time (spamming themselves in the process) would be a "torture chamber," indeed (and an echo chamber besides). As far as I'm concerned, that would be Hell on the Internet. x-( So let's do everything we can to avoid that sorry state of affairs, shall we?
Bottom line: Discretion is good. Trust in the moderators and leave it to them. The behind-the-scenes stuff is none of your concern. Just report and move on. Play chess and discuss things civilly with other users, and try to forget that trolls even exist. You don't need to keep track of them, or try to do the moderators' job for them. Everyone here, including you, will be much happier if you don't do that. :-)
Bottom line: Discretion is good. Trust in the moderators and leave it to them. The behind-the-scenes stuff is none of your concern. Just report and move on. Play chess and discuss things civilly with other users, and try to forget that trolls even exist. You don't need to keep track of them, or try to do the moderators' job for them. Everyone here, including you, will be much happier if you don't do that. :-)
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