@SilvioHoffmann but running your time out is another form of giving up and it is both unethical/rude and a waste of the opponents time whereas resigning is polite and correct in the situation. Since you are giving up the game either way it only makes sense that you should give it up in the better manner. Also, as has been pointed out before if people are getting upset for receiving a warning about their behavior then they are being too sensitive.
here's the code that determines whether what you do will be considered stalling or not:
github.com/ornicar/lila/blob/b6542828aa729e5413b30df4f551dbcca085ca23/modules/playban/src/main/PlaybanApi.scala#L73-L104
as you can see, it's not extremely simple, and dependent on time control.
github.com/ornicar/lila/blob/b6542828aa729e5413b30df4f551dbcca085ca23/modules/playban/src/main/PlaybanApi.scala#L73-L104
as you can see, it's not extremely simple, and dependent on time control.
@SilvioHoffmann I've read all of your comments and in almost every one you use the expression "forcing you to give up". This is the, main, flaw of your logic. They are NOT forcing you to give up. You have a choice and the choice is entirely yours, to resign OR PLAY ON.
They are just saying one thing, that you can't just sit there and deliberately let all your time run out as many people do as a way to get revenge for a lost game.
I hope you catch on after my post , but I have a feeling your going to continue going on 'force me to give up" "force me to give up" "it's a violation of my human rights!!!!!".
And on the other main point you talk about having clearly defined parameters for this. Well there are, as another poster pointed out you can see the EXACT formula they use. It's all there for you to look at if you choose.
But there are also disadvantages to making this widely known in a simple way. I wonder if you have even bothered to consider what the disadvantages might be. For one, I think that a lot of people are deterred from ragesitting because of the very fact that they might not know exactly how it works. If they knew the exact limits, they could be inside those limits within one second. And this would encourage gaming of the system.
But above all please remember, no one is forcing you to resign. It's resign or play on.
They are just saying one thing, that you can't just sit there and deliberately let all your time run out as many people do as a way to get revenge for a lost game.
I hope you catch on after my post , but I have a feeling your going to continue going on 'force me to give up" "force me to give up" "it's a violation of my human rights!!!!!".
And on the other main point you talk about having clearly defined parameters for this. Well there are, as another poster pointed out you can see the EXACT formula they use. It's all there for you to look at if you choose.
But there are also disadvantages to making this widely known in a simple way. I wonder if you have even bothered to consider what the disadvantages might be. For one, I think that a lot of people are deterred from ragesitting because of the very fact that they might not know exactly how it works. If they knew the exact limits, they could be inside those limits within one second. And this would encourage gaming of the system.
But above all please remember, no one is forcing you to resign. It's resign or play on.
Surely if you optionally play a free website you get more rights/choices, not fewer? Even if they randomly stop your games; subtract points; insult you etc, you STILL have more freedom - to play, chat, learn etc - than if the site didn't exist. And it's open source. Someone's done all this work for you and now you can just fork it in github and come up with an even better site with ever more freedoms!!!!1!!11!
I think, I received such a warning too in basically the same situation: 3+2 game and I got flagged while looking for a defense against a mate threat. It felt unjust. But I understand, that there are way too much games to check them all manually.
Unfortunately too many people just let the clock run after for instance blundering a rook. You cannot compare this to an OTB game, where basically nobody does this to avoid being considered as antisocial.
Don't worry about occasional warnings, I once had some problems with my internet connection, it broke like more than once in an hour and I received several warnings (like 3 warnings in 20 consecutive games) without a temporary ban.
Unfortunately too many people just let the clock run after for instance blundering a rook. You cannot compare this to an OTB game, where basically nobody does this to avoid being considered as antisocial.
Don't worry about occasional warnings, I once had some problems with my internet connection, it broke like more than once in an hour and I received several warnings (like 3 warnings in 20 consecutive games) without a temporary ban.
@SilvioHoffmann Seria interessante o Lichess deixar os critérios mais claros realmente. Para muitos jogadores aqui, há um entendimento precário do que é o tempo (relógio de xadrez). É um recurso que deve ser utilizado. Muitos acham que é uma conveniência. Se numa situação desesperadora, eu uso bastante tempo, isso não quer dizer que eu tô simplesmente enrolando, eu posso estar pensando numa jogada que complique a posição e induza o meu adversário a erro, ou buscando um empate, etc. Li todas as suas postagens e acho que a mensagem de aviso é equivocada e induz o jogador a não usar o relógio como um recurso do jogo. A mensagem deveria aparecer apenas para casos mais específicos e para jogadores muito reincidentes (por exemplo, o cara na última semana fez isso umas dez vezes, com a clara intenção de abandonar a partida, coisa do tipo), e com revisão técnica de humanos. É uma importante discussão para a melhoria do site.
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Dear forum participants. I intend to respond to the messages in a timely manner, probably on Wednesday of next week, as I will be traveling and having difficulties in accessing the internet. Today and tomorrow I will be involved with chess teaching projects for teenagers and I will not dedicate myself to answering either. I think the topic has gained relevance and I want to continue debating it to contribute to the improvement of the platform and the dissemination of chess. Thank you for the considerations you have made, disagreeing or agreeing. I believe they are important for us to reflect and walk in search of a common good. My best wishes to everyone and Long Life to Chess and Lichess!
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