US Chess Championship - Chessdom.com • Round 11 • lichess.org

spyputs Hans rly likes these positions where he can go h6 g5-g4
spyputs he used to play 3...Nf6 4.d3 h6!? and a later g5, idk what that's called in the Italian
spyputs wow 22.Qc1 was possible by Fabi
spyputs positionally it makes more sense to give up the LSB given white's kingside structure though
Keypusher_776 Caruana going for a more positional, risk-free approach.
themiddleway does everybody get free pont from Yoo or not those that played him?
AnttiJM read the news
themiddleway 5 players have score out of 9 only, this is last round
spyputs every game against Yoo is annulled
spyputs mathematically equivalent to a free point, but it's 0 points strictly speaking
spyputs ok now even if mishra finds 30.Nh2 So can probably hold move by move
spyputs these are the types of games Hans needs to convert to solidfy his claim as a top player
AnttiJM yea Hikaru said Niemann is not close to top10 strength
Keypusher_776 Hikaru is a hater
Keypusher_776 Of course he is going to say that.
AnttiJM Hikaru speaks facts, if you disagree then you are a hater
AnttiJM Hikaru has no incentive to not speak facts
Keypusher_776 "Facts" Everyone has an opinion and Hikaru is a forever Hans hater. That is a fact.
amoebus Hikaru has an incentive to say whatever makes the best content.
AnttiJM not gonna argue with stupid people
ilGattoNero9000 come on Awonder!
themiddleway Getting to play the top rated players was a huge hurdle
ilGattoNero9000 hoping for tiebreaks
Keypusher_776 Hikaru will just be proven wrong again and again. A little over a year ago Hans rating was 2650, now look at where he is now.
ilGattoNero9000 reminder that Awonder has a brother and said brother's name is Adream
themiddleway Why Hikaru not playing?
ilGattoNero9000 prefers to stream i guess
BeanNdAnArf Pity it's not Adisappointment
ilGattoNero9000 lol
AnttiJM or "Amistake"
ilGattoNero9000 that'd be hilarious
ilGattoNero9000 will Levon find Rh2?
ilGattoNero9000 oh he already has
ilGattoNero9000 rough tournament for Oparin
AnttiJM chess is hard
ilGattoNero9000 not for Fabi
spyputs even for fabi
spyputs he just makes it look easy
AnttiJM Fabi is lower ranked than a random twitch streamer btw
spyputs not if he wins today
AnttiJM true
UNSPB if hans wins i think he will have had the same record against sevian and robson in uscc for 3rd year in a row (www vs lll)
AnttiJM tiebreaks and Fabi crumbles
ilGattoNero9000 he lost 3 times against Robson?
UNSPB yes 1 time in each of the last 3 games at us championship (2022 2023 2024)
ilGattoNero9000 damn
ilGattoNero9000 by the way Ray ended on a + score
ilGattoNero9000 despite a 0.5/3 start
AnttiJM cant win them all, basic statistics
UNSPB and same with sevian, he beat him 2022 and 23
easyn1 plssssssss play b5 shankyboi
jviu0321 b5 is the only candidate move, he's definitely playing it
easyn1 :)
Keypusher_776 Sevian-Niemann settling towards a peaceful result as expected.
AnttiJM Awonder please win so we get tie breaks
spyputs I didn't expect it 10 moves ago
UNSPB statistics did not expect it before game started
Keypusher_776 It's what usually happens in tense games, they seem to magically peter out after a couple of logical moves from both sides.
Keypusher_776 Or maybe there is still fight left in it.
UNSPB i imagine if there is any fight, white can play for a win
spyputs Yeah hard to imagine black can win this
spyputs Aronian casually playing a very nice game
spyputs Awonder is gambling that Leinier won't do anything hasty right before time control
spyputs Why not just Be3
Keypusher_776 Wow Qd3 instantly by Liang.
spyputs Now for sure leinier finds it
spyputs Bg6 coming
UNSPB g5 would have won for both players, huh? dynamics of these positions are hard to understand
spyputs I doubt 40.g5 or 41.g5 is a win for white
spyputs More space but take the engine eval with a large grain of salt
UNSPB maybe not win right away but strong move
spyputs Yes, mainly in preventing Black's g5
Keypusher_776 Liang has been playing a brilliant game but missed this one resource for black and will now lose the game.
spyputs Lack of killer instinct mostly
spyputs Also weird to not spend more time on move 41
UNSPB Hans might have to fight for a draw
spyputs Good practical chances for Mishra I think
Keypusher_776 Niemann will have no problems drawing this.
UNSPB Why? If any of the pawns are traded off, there will be a passer for white
AnttiJM if Awonder loses then Fabi can resign and go celebrate
motbob then sevian can resign and make fabi's evening very unpleasant
AnttiJM oh yea that needs to be drawn first
AnttiJM But Fabi will grind the game out cause he wants to get the world no.2 spot back from the streamer
AnttiJM Fabi winning gg
ShepherdsBushSage We live in strange times. World #1 won't compete in the World Championships and World #2 won't compete in his national champs.
Chansey9 Does Magnus compete in Norwegian Championships?
amoebus Other than Caruana and So, I don't think any Top-10 players (and not many 2700+ players in general) compete in their national championship
Chansey9 Then I guess it is pretty normal for Naka to not compete in the US championships
amoebus US championship probably has more price money and more FIDE Circuit points than any other national championship
Chansey9 I see
AnttiJM but US championships dont offer anything that would help Hikaru qualify to the candidates so he didnt play. one reason at least
amoebus FIDE Circuit points would help him qualify if he would play other tournaments as well.
AnttiJM Yea but thats the point he doesnt want to grind tournaments
AnttiJM only important ones
amoebus Well, maybe he doesn't want to qualify for the Candidates enough then ;)
AnttiJM he wants to not grind tournaments more than he wants to get to the candidates.
ShepherdsBushSage Naka's chances have long gone. He isn't getting past the new generation.
AnttiJM if it requires tedious grinding then he doesnt care
spyputs Let's wait for the new generation to crack 2800 before jumping to conclusions
AnttiJM His chances havent completely gone. He has zero pressure in tournaments which makes him incredibly strong
AnttiJM also he is no.2 in the world so yea
amoebus Won't be any more next month though (unless Caruana can't convert his advantage)
AnttiJM well yea but then practically tied for second
spyputs He could drop as low as #4 depending on how Arjun does at ECC
AnttiJM then practically tied for second with 2 other people
amoebus If you're that generous than he's currently already 'practicly tied' with three other people
AnttiJM ok then so be it. tied for second
amoebus If Carlsen loses a couple of games, basically tied for first
AnttiJM Carlsen too strong. couple losses dont make him suddenly not be clear first
amoebus Coming back to the tournament - is this now a 5-way tie for second?
spyputs What is the resolution of elo?
spyputs Could be 10 people tied for 1st for all we know
AnttiJM He could probably call FIDE and ask if he can replace Ding in the WC match and FIDE would give him the spot him the match
AnttiJM in the match
spyputs Sam repeated so he could get his hands on Hans king again
spyputs (and place it gently on e5)
AnttiJM Thats how good Magnus is and thats how corrupt FIDE is
spyputs FIDR
spyputs FIDE is far far more corrupt than your hypothetical implies
AnttiJM yes
motbob I don't think FIDE would do that
motbob in the first place, magnus is not competing for the championship in part because FIDE is resistant to his proposed format changes
amoebus Of course they won't and even if they would this would have nothing to do with corruption.
AnttiJM Magnus playing the match gives FIDE far greater attention than Ding playing. Corruption = corruption
motbob this is the sort of opinion someone has when they hear about how corrupt FIDE is from other people on the internet for 20 years
AnttiJM the scenario is possible. Half of the organizations dont follow their own rules
AnttiJM Or make up new rules on the go if needed
AnttiJM Companies around the world constantly break laws etc.
motbob and this is the sort of opinion someone has when they hear about how the world is a terrible place on social media all the time...
spyputs motbob you seem wise
motbob simply get any job (in america at least) and you will see how terrified companies are of breaking any law
motbob the bigger, the more terrified
AnttiJM yea right so you run many companies and know everything whats happening?
motbob I'm not sure I need to actually *run* a company to see what they do in practice...
spyputs If companies did no wrong there'd be no need for whistleblowers
spyputs In some cases, whistleblowers who end up meeting suspiciously tragic ends
amoebus If course lots of companies or doing lots of things wrong, but in general most people and companies follow the law.
motbob again we're talking about things you read on social media—what have you seen with your own eyes and ears while working?
spyputs Your line of argument verges on epistemics
spyputs I was not personally present or even alive to witness the corruption if oil companies in the 20th century but we have testimony, sometimes
spyputs From those very companies themselves
spyputs But yes, I guess we can't be aware of phenomena without personally seeing it firsthand
spyputs I wonder if sam will resign first or mishra will force a draw
motbob That's of course not what I'm saying. Rather, I'm saying that there is always the risk of being trapped in a hysterical echo chamber.
motbob We can escape the chamber by accruing real-world experience.
spyputs Yes various perspectives are always welcome
BeanNdAnArf Yay Fabi
spyputs It seemed almost simultaneous
motbob ok but who gets the world cup slots
amoebus Doesn't Caruana have a slot already from finishing third at the last world cup?