Tata Steel Masters 2023 • Round 12 • lichess.org

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Evaluation barsPlayingResults

Abdusattorov, Nodirbek2713½

So, Wesley2760½

Giri, Anish2764½

Van Foreest, Jorden2681½

Praggnanandhaa R2684½

Carlsen, Magnus2859½

Keymer, Vincent2696½

Caruana, Fabiano2766½

Aronian, Levon2735½

Gukesh D2725½

Ding, Liren28110

Rapport, Richard27401

Erigaisi Arjun27220

Maghsoodloo, Parham27191

Abdusattorov, Nodirbek½

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leechchess_org Almost everything is forced now
Caro-kann-player Gg wowwww Anish giri holds this.
gau2112 Is Ra6 is the only move for black ?
Caro-kann-player love you giri.
gau2112 *white
leechchess_org no any rook move is possible
Executioner_King Ra7 also holds
leechchess_org he can always promote, rook has to take and when the rooks are disconnected king takes the other rook that took the bishop
Caro-kann-player This is draw. Proud of Giri
leechchess_org jorden is trying for a win
Caro-kann-player There's no win here
gau2112 Now you just take the bishop and force the draw. Is it ?
Caro-kann-player Yes
Alsgun this is no draw...
MeesterJan Rcxc2 Rg6+ Kf4 and black wins
leechchess_org absolutely a draw
Molurus damn.. Foreest and Giri are going to sleep well tonight
Caro-kann-player What are you talking about. This is a draw. There's no win here for either sides.
Alsgun thers a win...
gau2112 Woah
leechchess_org h doesnt have to check
leechchess_org he just promotes
Alsgun maybe now its a draw xdd
Caro-kann-player Ok draw
leechchess_org it was always a draw
Caro-kann-player I LOVE YOU GIRI. you did a perfect job of holding this game. ️
leechchess_org you make a blunder with white in your calculation and say it is a win lol
NM ThunderClap only with playing well was it a draw
NM ThunderClap gg
gau2112 Did not know Kf3 was also a draw. wow
leechchess_org Nice for Rapport
leechchess_org And Prham
Rounded11 gg'
gau2112 It keeps the tournament open for tomorrow. If Abdu does not win, maybe we can have a tie break
FireWorks move 24 +4.8 :O
Flyingjat giri in a must win situation tomorrow with white
alex11star pfft typical scrub magnus can't even find Qh1+
Flyingjat shame magnus couldn't convert
legbreakgoogly all endgames are drawn
alex11star how did he even become 2800
TableAndChairs69 I'd like abdu to win. He beat magnus with the black pieces, that's impressive
Flyingjat or else he would've generated a must win for himsle fto
gau2112 Yeah. You have sac the Knnnnnightttt at move 29
www_Chpok_org does anyone remember, who made this forecast: 5/7 draws ? Long long ago, when all 7 were playing.
alex11star i'm glad i'm not getting yelled at for my sarcasm :D
Erreeffe what happened between carlsen and prag?
alex11star Ke4 isn't a move, it's just a DGT thing where they put the kings in the center of the board afer the game
alex11star they drew the move before that
playerok counter blunder
TableAndChairs69 Prag ate a banana @erreeffe
smiffi Where are the "Magnus wins this, it's a fact"-guys?
NM ThunderClap prag n carlsen drew ... play over the game now' if you wanna know what happened
Amir78_Hossein What hapend to magnus game?
TableAndChairs69 It finished amir
alex11star Ke4 wasn't played, it's just a DGT board thing where they put their kings in the center
Amir78_Hossein How it was draw???
Amir78_Hossein Oh yes alex
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Davidvdbergh1 wait did Ke4 actually happen or is this a lichess bug
TheEccentricDuck bro alex11star already said
homeostasis1 there was a really great move for praggnanandhaa but he didn't do it
TheEccentricDuck at the end the gms always put the pieces at the middle of the board
TheEccentricDuck and that's why it say ke4
NoRodNeeded the arrangement of the kings shows the result of the game
homeostasis1 mate in 12 actually
NoRodNeeded so that the arbiters can see easily the result
Davidvdbergh1 Ah okay weird how that doesn't just shut off after agreeing the draw
NoRodNeeded @homeostasis1 do you really think a super GM would agree to a draw in a position with an elementary skewer?
homeostasis1 then why did he agree it
TheEccentricDuck @NoRodNeeded I don't think that's necessarily true, both players will record the result and moves on the score sheet.
TheEccentricDuck The arbiters don't determine the result from how the king's are positioned on the board after the game
NoRodNeeded Kings on e4/e5 = draw (as indicated here), Kings on white squares (e4/d5) = white wins, and d4/e5 for black wins
NoRodNeeded that's how arbiters now
NoRodNeeded know
NoRodNeeded at tournaments like this it's probably not very necessary but its common etiquette
TheEccentricDuck They can just know from looking at the scoresheet, or simply spectating the game.
TheEccentricDuck It is the last game after all
NoRodNeeded yes, but it's etiquette
TheEccentricDuck I know it's etiquette
NoRodNeeded for example at the World R&B, it is necessary
TheEccentricDuck but the reason for doing so is not for the arbiters
TheEccentricDuck as you say
TheEccentricDuck it is etiquette
NoRodNeeded the reason for doing it is due to etiquette which is in place due to respect for arbiters
homeostasis1 can you explain me from the start, how is it draw?
NoRodNeeded because Ke4 didn't happen
TheEccentricDuck wdym respect for arbiters, the arbiters can literally see the result from the scoresheet or from just looking at the game
TheEccentricDuck also sometimes it's not even the players who put the kings at the middle
NoRodNeeded The etiquette to do such a thing is in place for tournaments like the world r&b, and it is continued here
TheEccentricDuck it's the arbiters
NoRodNeeded Do you see how etiquette from some tournaments can go over to other tournaments?
TheEccentricDuck in classical tournements yes, but not r&b. They literally reset the board because there will be another game on it
NoRodNeeded And do you potentially see how an arbiter just looking at the board, assuming a result, could be faulty in a very, very rare case?
TheEccentricDuck no, because they will use the scoresheets as the official reference for entering the results
TheEccentricDuck not the way the kings are positioned
NoRodNeeded Right but the arbiters need to know the result of the game, and in a tournament unlike this, where there are many more games to go on,
NoRodNeeded players learn the etiquette to simply show the arbiters what the result was
TheEccentricDuck Both players have scoresheets signed by each other with the results on it, isn't that enough
TheEccentricDuck also again
NoRodNeeded No reason to stop using that etiquette here
TheEccentricDuck it's not always the player's putting the king in the middle
TheEccentricDuck sometimes it's the arbiters doing it
NoRodNeeded And yes, the scoresheets exists, but writing can be small, and that's much easier to see
Demonolith Why is Ke4 played in the end and results in a draw? Even on the official website of the tournament,
TheEccentricDuck writing can be small
TheEccentricDuck but the arbiters can distinguish between
TheEccentricDuck 1-0
TheEccentricDuck 0-1
TheEccentricDuck and 1/2-1/2
TheEccentricDuck it's not that hard
NoRodNeeded And so what if it's the arbiters sometimes doing it, if it's sometimes the players doing it that just goes to show the etiquette
NoRodNeeded No reason to accidentally read the wrong thing. 1-0 and 0-1 can look very similar, and often it isn't notated as such, it's merely a list of
NoRodNeeded "white won" "black won" and "draw" on the scoresheets, which means you can't distinguish them unless you know the placing of those things
TheEccentricDuck wdym u know the placing of those things
NoRodNeeded @Demonolith DGT boards and etiquette
TheEccentricDuck 1-0 means white wins
NoRodNeeded I know that
NoRodNeeded But that isn't notated
TheEccentricDuck and 0-1 means black wins
TheEccentricDuck that is at the end
TheEccentricDuck of player scoresheet
NoRodNeeded There is most likely text on each sheet that says "white wins", "black wins", or "draw"
TheEccentricDuck even better then
NoRodNeeded Kings are easier to see than writing
NoRodNeeded Much easier to look at
TheEccentricDuck white wins
NoRodNeeded And etiquette is continued
TheEccentricDuck and black wins
TheEccentricDuck is completely different
TheEccentricDuck how can you confuse the two
NoRodNeeded Clearly you have no intention of learning anything from this discussion, and merely want to argue. So I won't.
TheEccentricDuck same for you
TheEccentricDuck you just re-iterate the same points over and over again
TheEccentricDuck without taking in anything I have remarked
TheEccentricDuck It's not even arguing at that point, it's just making assertions.
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Demonolith Thank you for your answer. I have not understood but I assume Magnus did not lose in this position and did not actually play Ke4 and offered
Demonolith a draw.
TheEccentricDuck Yes that is an understandable assumption, I have made the same assumption before as well, until watching videos of the tournements
TheEccentricDuck and learning of this custom
TableAndChairs69 Agadmator has reviewed the game on YouTube, check it out if you want to see what happened with explanation
parvizdinmohammadi Hello everyone
En_kor What happened to Ding?
m_salik parham having a nice late tournament
CaramelRibbonCrunch Ding gets some ding
CaramelRibbonCrunch Ke4 is the best move for magnus
FTMKVFRZ Praggnanandhaa' game shows he is a genius
FTMKVFRZ Praggnanandhaa becomes world champion in the future
NeverAFreshBaker drew due
markma2010 Choke by Ding
JamesJamesJamesJames wow
JamesJamesJamesJames ding is really not doing well
Justin_Wen who won
Gaspard05 why it is
Gaspard05 a draw?
Tigerthinksbad Pragg could have won but he drew
RoHiTdIgAnTa Magnus didn't played ke4
Weerasekara yeah magnus didn't play ke4 it was just them placing the kings to represent a drawn game
Harishram2012 Threefold repeatition
GrandDeluxe At which ply is games analyzed? In the magnus vs pragg game move 22. Rfe1 is not marked as an inaccuracy.
Prototype01 j
barsuk2012 what? 68.ke4??
K_dimk-2010 Whatt?? Praggna h1
KushalKA woww
Mateo_Freire No way
zxcerkomfu2 Giri playing sus
d4nf6bg50-1 glitch @barsuk2012
Avaneeshprem why was magnus vs praggnandha draw because black was completly winning
Avaneeshprem Did white play 68. Ke4?
anonymous61596 no
Forgeron-de-Pion @avaneeshprem This is a common question in these tournaments. When the players agree to a draw, they sometimes move their kings to the e4 a
Forgeron-de-Pion and e5 squares. this registers to the virtual board as a move, but does not reflect an actual move.
MYMChessNiNi is magnus going to gain rating?
Harishram2012 hi
Harishram2012 shall we anylis magnus vs pragg in game 12
Harishram2012 naaiv
NewAlperensnak who is winner
NewAlperensnak anish giri