Could you please tell us where can we follow the games and results if we are less interested in Twitch/YouTube commentary? (It is great that there is online commentary, but for example I do not have Twitch and like to look at the games on my own.) I understand that it is possible to look at the list of the qualifiers and search for their games, but it is a bit complicated.
Thank you in advance for your reply!
Thank you in advance for your reply!
You can follow games in their broadcast page. Here is offerspill knockout
lichess.org/broadcast/offerspill-frc-world-championship-qualifier-knockout/round-of-16-game-1/ItfA7Pgw
Today's ccc and nacl broadcast link isn't live but will be live on lichess.org/broadcast page whenever they'll publish it. Yesterday's link was published 1 hour before the games started iirc.
lichess.org/broadcast/offerspill-frc-world-championship-qualifier-knockout/round-of-16-game-1/ItfA7Pgw
Today's ccc and nacl broadcast link isn't live but will be live on lichess.org/broadcast page whenever they'll publish it. Yesterday's link was published 1 hour before the games started iirc.
It's better to follow their games from player profile/tv if you're watching live. Yesterday's broadcast was messy. Moves weren't updated instantly. And in time scrambles 4-5 moves were pushed at once after a few second pause.
In classical time control, it's okay but in rapid/blitz or in time scrambles it's laggy. Is there a github issue filed to increase move refresh rate in broadcasts?
In classical time control, it's okay but in rapid/blitz or in time scrambles it's laggy. Is there a github issue filed to increase move refresh rate in broadcasts?
In addition to the comments of @RealDavidNavara , with which i totally agree, i would like to add couple more critical points about yesterdays event and where things could be improved for the next time in my opinion:
1. The event itself as BBB disappeared from the first page after a while (only the stream link at the very top remained), as this is a World Championship Tournament, i believe it deserves to stay as BBB for longer, at least as long as the games are on-going.
2. Providing some simple informations such as how long the break between the games and rounds (Round of 16 and Quarterfinals) somewhere, either in tournament info or at least in the tournament chat, could make the whole event less of a patience test for the spectators. After all it is not fun to sit in front of computer and try to follow a WC, when you don't know if the games of next round are gonna start in 5 mins or in an hour. I noticed many people gave up on watching at that point.
3. I find the blog post announcement came a little too late (Was posted only after the first games have already finished!), while the field and format was already determined a week ago, there was enough time for the post during the whole week i believe. This way more people would be aware of the event in time.
Probably there were more points i had in mind, but i forgot them now..So these are basically my observations based on all the feedback i've heard from many others during it as well. I hope to see some improvements will take place regarding those issues in the future.
Thanks.
1. The event itself as BBB disappeared from the first page after a while (only the stream link at the very top remained), as this is a World Championship Tournament, i believe it deserves to stay as BBB for longer, at least as long as the games are on-going.
2. Providing some simple informations such as how long the break between the games and rounds (Round of 16 and Quarterfinals) somewhere, either in tournament info or at least in the tournament chat, could make the whole event less of a patience test for the spectators. After all it is not fun to sit in front of computer and try to follow a WC, when you don't know if the games of next round are gonna start in 5 mins or in an hour. I noticed many people gave up on watching at that point.
3. I find the blog post announcement came a little too late (Was posted only after the first games have already finished!), while the field and format was already determined a week ago, there was enough time for the post during the whole week i believe. This way more people would be aware of the event in time.
Probably there were more points i had in mind, but i forgot them now..So these are basically my observations based on all the feedback i've heard from many others during it as well. I hope to see some improvements will take place regarding those issues in the future.
Thanks.
The knockout matches from the "CCC qualifier" started about 3 hours ago. Could anyone tell me where could I find the results, please? I am also curious about who is GrandMaestroJulio76. GM Granda Zúñiga? Jules Moussard? Someone else? Thank you in advance for a link.
After 3.5 hours of play I am not too willing to follow the stream, sorry.
After 3.5 hours of play I am not too willing to follow the stream, sorry.
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David, you can find everything here (including the link to the Offerspiel qualifier page): lichess.org/broadcast/ccc--naccl-frc-world-championship-qualifier-knockout/semifinals-game-1/gDoxT3R6 or via WATCH->Broadcasts in the top left menu.
The direct link to the bracket with real names is
All in all, this is not a real World Championship, just an online blitz/rapid chess960 tournament "recognized as such" by FIDE. Similarly, anyone here can organize a series of events with some prize money and call it "the world championship". Too many things point at that, starting from the absence of a tournament website (!) and no news about it on the FIDE website. No surprise though.
The direct link to the bracket with real names is
All in all, this is not a real World Championship, just an online blitz/rapid chess960 tournament "recognized as such" by FIDE. Similarly, anyone here can organize a series of events with some prize money and call it "the world championship". Too many things point at that, starting from the absence of a tournament website (!) and no news about it on the FIDE website. No surprise though.
@Former_Player I agree that lack of central source of information and news makes this whole thing lose its credibility. We have to unfortunately collect bits of informations here and there..It all feels like everything is done in a hurry, from dates to format, from announcements to all. I don’t understand why everything was or had to be squeezed into such small time range..
On elsewhere.com the Qualifiers were completed in only 6 days! I generally find Swiss Tournaments online produce random results, because unlike OTB, many people leave tourney midway and this effects tie breaks heavily. With so little rounds and many participants tie-breaks play a key role. Not to mention the 2-move draws we have seen already..So having only 2 of them is simply not really different than rolling dices at this point.
Regarding the format on Lichess.org:
On a positive note, i find it is good that they spread the qualification process over a relatively longer time period than elsewhere.com, and it is pretty good that there were many qualifiers in the early stage, which was engaging and a good step in the direction of popularizing the game due to huge number of participants and being open to all. However i feel, more it got to critical stages, it feels like things started to get chaotic and “make a fait accompli”. Swiss stages got over way too quickly, with so little chances for players. In that stage, a format similar to 2019 FRWC could be applied.
The fixed line up idea resulted in strongly imbalanced groups in strength, e.g. Offerspill vs CCC path. Instead of having one qualifier in five different groups, there was no reason to have an upper limit in number of players in a single swiss, force them to play in a fixed time in a fixed field, instead those could be open to all 500, so they can participate on 5 swisses or more, (basically getting 5 chances to qualify) and the number of players to qualify from each could adapted in a way that it results in 16 player knockout again or 32, or two knockouts with 16 etc. etc. Basically there could be more Swisses to reduce the randomness factor.
When it mattered less, there was an abundance of qualifiers and when it started to matter more, the number of qualifiers decreased drastically, which i find pretty imbalanced in the format.
I hope format will improve next time. Also i dont think any serious Tournament should go below 10+2, at least in Swiss Stages.
Probably no organizer will read or see this and all this will get buried into the vast depths of world wide web, but i nevertheless wanted to share, in case a miracle happens.
@Former_Player and @RealDavidNavara I’d like to hear your suggestions about Format, where it can be improved, how should a proper WC format look like? Ofc i d like to hear from everyone else as well.
On elsewhere.com the Qualifiers were completed in only 6 days! I generally find Swiss Tournaments online produce random results, because unlike OTB, many people leave tourney midway and this effects tie breaks heavily. With so little rounds and many participants tie-breaks play a key role. Not to mention the 2-move draws we have seen already..So having only 2 of them is simply not really different than rolling dices at this point.
Regarding the format on Lichess.org:
On a positive note, i find it is good that they spread the qualification process over a relatively longer time period than elsewhere.com, and it is pretty good that there were many qualifiers in the early stage, which was engaging and a good step in the direction of popularizing the game due to huge number of participants and being open to all. However i feel, more it got to critical stages, it feels like things started to get chaotic and “make a fait accompli”. Swiss stages got over way too quickly, with so little chances for players. In that stage, a format similar to 2019 FRWC could be applied.
The fixed line up idea resulted in strongly imbalanced groups in strength, e.g. Offerspill vs CCC path. Instead of having one qualifier in five different groups, there was no reason to have an upper limit in number of players in a single swiss, force them to play in a fixed time in a fixed field, instead those could be open to all 500, so they can participate on 5 swisses or more, (basically getting 5 chances to qualify) and the number of players to qualify from each could adapted in a way that it results in 16 player knockout again or 32, or two knockouts with 16 etc. etc. Basically there could be more Swisses to reduce the randomness factor.
When it mattered less, there was an abundance of qualifiers and when it started to matter more, the number of qualifiers decreased drastically, which i find pretty imbalanced in the format.
I hope format will improve next time. Also i dont think any serious Tournament should go below 10+2, at least in Swiss Stages.
Probably no organizer will read or see this and all this will get buried into the vast depths of world wide web, but i nevertheless wanted to share, in case a miracle happens.
@Former_Player and @RealDavidNavara I’d like to hear your suggestions about Format, where it can be improved, how should a proper WC format look like? Ofc i d like to hear from everyone else as well.
@visualdennis said in #9:
> where it can be improved, how should a proper WC format look like? Ofc i d like to hear from everyone else as well.
Well, the format must be similar to that in traditional chess. Isn't it logical? Slow time control o.t.b. (thus no berserks and premoves and no huge violations of privacy), very early announcement, thoughtful timing (no or very few clashes with other major events), comprehensive coverage based on the official website, and a separate chess960 rating system as the basis. But this discussion makes no sense; nothing will be improved in this respect as long as FIDE is in charge and Sutovsky is FIDE Director General. Maybe we'll have the same bone thrown to us each year instead of every two-three years, and that's it.
> where it can be improved, how should a proper WC format look like? Ofc i d like to hear from everyone else as well.
Well, the format must be similar to that in traditional chess. Isn't it logical? Slow time control o.t.b. (thus no berserks and premoves and no huge violations of privacy), very early announcement, thoughtful timing (no or very few clashes with other major events), comprehensive coverage based on the official website, and a separate chess960 rating system as the basis. But this discussion makes no sense; nothing will be improved in this respect as long as FIDE is in charge and Sutovsky is FIDE Director General. Maybe we'll have the same bone thrown to us each year instead of every two-three years, and that's it.