So, who's the coolest?

@what_game_is_this said in #10:
> Satan won't be cool until hell freezes over...
bro this reminds me of this scene from Lucifier: youtube.com/shorts/_0unxkryVcU?si=uofaEtbMzcf4uy-j

Who said I don't believe in god? I believe in a compassionate god(: Not a murderous egotistical one like in the bible @dstne

Not every conception of the divine is represented by christian books

@twighead said in #52:
> Who said I don't believe in god? I believe in a compassionate god(: Not a murderous egotistical one like in the bible @dstne

Please explain what “your “ God is then. After much searching over my life I have found that the God of the Bible seems to line up best with what I observe about the world, but if you have another viable option, please explain where it comes from and what this god is like. Of course the God of the Bible is not egotistical or murderous. Self-glorifying and just, yes, but not egotistical or murderous.

> Not every conception of the divine is represented by christian books

Of course not, but the context of our conversation was in relation to the Bible.

@dstne said in #53:
> Please explain what “your “ God is then. After much searching over my life I have found that the God of the Bible seems to line up best with what I observe about the world, but if you have another viable option, please explain where it comes from and what this god is like. Of course the God of the Bible is not egotistical or murderous. Self-glorifying and just, yes, but not egotistical or murderous.

No?

Deuteronomy 13: 6-10 - If anyone, even in your own family suggests worshipping another god, kill them. 13: 12-15 - If you find a city that worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of its inhabitants.

@dstne said in #53:
> Please explain what “your “ God is then.

In short, the sum of all things, all things as a whole and in their individual natures - all aspects of reality - and possibilities.

Intelligent unto and within itself - however content to see itself play out in many directions without direct intervention from the whole, however the nature of the universe like entropy - is to ultimately arc towards justice

@twighead said in #54:
> No?
>
> Deuteronomy 13: 6-10 - If anyone, even in your own family suggests worshipping another god, kill them. 13: 12-15 - If you find a city that worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of its inhabitants.

Let’s say you make a computer simulation with millions of AIs. You decide that you want everyone to acknowledge that you created them. Would it be wrong if when someone claims that you didn’t create them to just delete them? Why not? They aren’t on the same level as you, they aren’t alive in the same way as you, you have every right to do whatever you want with them. If you decide to destroy them all, you can. If you decide to help some and destroy others, you can. There is no consequence when you make the rules. God is like this, except He Himself obeys the same rules that He commands us to follow, which is also perfectly right for Him to do. To accuse the creator of reality and rules of doing something wrong would be stupid, He made the rules, and has total right to follow or not follow them.

> In short, the sum of all things, all things as a whole and in their individual natures - all aspects of reality - and possibilities.
>
> Intelligent unto and within itself - however content to see itself play out in many directions without direct intervention from the whole, however the nature of the universe like entropy - is to ultimately arc towards justice

I would just ask, why do you think God is like this? If you thought of this yourself, why do you think you have the right to define the One who defined you? If God exists, He will be what He is, not what we say He should be.

@dstne said in #56:
> Let’s say you make a computer simulation with millions of AIs. You decide that you want everyone to acknowledge that you created them. Would it be wrong if when someone claims that you didn’t create them to just delete them? Why not? They aren’t on the same level as you, they aren’t alive in the same way as you, you have every right to do whatever you want with them. If you decide to destroy them all, you can. If you decide to help some and destroy others, you can. There is no consequence when you make the rules. God is like this, except He Himself obeys the same rules that He commands us to follow, which is also perfectly right for Him to do. To accuse the creator of reality and rules of doing something wrong would be stupid, He made the rules, and has total right to follow or not follow them.

Yes, well this just is a far cry from omniscience to me, and just stinks of human thought - not the thought of an unimaginably wise & intelligent force .... if a rational god wants people to follow them in this way - then let itself be known unequivocally & directly - not through old books and events no one even knows happened anymore, but would expect fear more than love.

> I would just ask, why do you think God is like this? If you thought of this yourself, why do you think you have the right to define the One who defined you? If God exists, He will be what He is, not what we say He should be.

Direct experience, and communion with divine forces - it was defined/shown to me not the other way around.

And i'm not trying to proletsyze my experience, I think everyone should form their opinion from their own observations and experience.. not what they're told is right.

But Christians these days have much lost the techniques which are very valuable to this.

@twighead said in #57:
> Yes, well this just is a far cry from omniscience to me, and just stinks of human thought - not the thought of an unimaginably wise & intelligent force .... if a rational god wants people to follow them in this way - then let itself be known unequivocally & directly - not through old books and events no one even knows happened anymore, but would expect fear more than love.

The thing is, God did that. He appeared to us, as a human, as Jesus. People ask why God doesn’t do it today, and it’s because He already did. Why would God do something a second time if He already gave us a first time?

> Direct experience, and communion with divine forces - it was defined/shown to me not the other way around.

Divine forces? Are you sure those are good divine forces, I mean this whole thread is based on the assumption that there are at least two different types of divine, God, and the Satanic. Of course, I’m assuming you believe in satanic forces, it could be that your god made only one type of being capable of free will.

> And i'm not trying to proletsyze my experience, I think everyone should form their opinion from their own observations and experience.. not what they're told is right.

Of course we should investigate, but why should we just assume that God didn’t tell us something important, and instead only use our senses to find truth. You said you wanted God to reveal Himself, how do you know that He didn’t already and you are just looking in the wrong places?

> But Christians these days have much lost the techniques which are very valuable to this.

I’m not sure what “techniques” you are referring to. If you are referring to divine power, that pretty much left with the apostles.

In the end, I can see that I can not convince you of the truth. I also can not make decisions for you, however if you would only look into the Christian faith further, I would greatly appreciate it. Christianity is not about obeying laws found in some 2000+ year old book, it’s about having a relationship with the Creator of the universe, and being freed from the problem that plagues everyone to every exist. If you would only admit that you are not a good person at heart, ask the Lord for forgiveness, believe that Jesus came to earth as God to die for you and take away your sins, you can truly begin to live, and even gain the free gift of eternal life.

Good luck on your journey! I’ll pray for you.

@dstne And that's what I have(: - Divinity revealed itself, within and without - all encompassing (with no separate parts like Satan forming an evil counterpart) just not in the book form of god.. in something much more wordless.

And I did not need to admit sin or any of that other hoop jumping, because this divinity is infinitely understanding and forgiving - not judgmental and damning.

Fortunately this isn't anything special or reserved for 'prophets' or something that people have to believe 2000 year old manipulated books on.... they can seek direct experience themselves as dedicated meditators, shamans, initiates of the ancient mystery rites, and all sorts of other people with intimate connections to the earth and cosmos have discovered this themselves for millennia.

@twighead said in #59:
> @dstne And that's what I have(: - Divinity revealed itself, within and without - all encompassing (with no separate parts like Satan forming an evil counterpart) just not in the book form of god.. in something much more wordless.
>
> And I did not need to admit sin or any of that other hoop jumping, because this divinity is infinitely understanding and forgiving - not judgmental and damning.
>
> Fortunately this isn't anything special or reserved for 'prophets' or something that people have to believe 2000 year old manipulated books on.... they can seek direct experience themselves as dedicated meditators, shamans, initiates of the ancient mystery rites, and all sorts of other people with intimate connections to the earth and cosmos have discovered this themselves for millennia.

Well then, I’m sorry that you, like most, don’t want to look at yourself and consider a basic fact that is true for all people. I’m sorry, not because of your actions, but because of the eternal consequences that come from them. Enjoy your life now ig, before all you have is eternal pain and suffering that comes from the just punishment of offending a holy God.

Sorry if this sounds severe, but I didn’t come up with the rules. Criminals can’t just be set free, so why should you? I’m really truly sorry for what you have to face one day.