lichess.org
Donate

The Problem of Time

One can always subdivide time into smaller units, at least in theory. Hours to minute to seconds.

But if this were to continue infinitely, it would result in a paradox. If the time between one second and the next second can be subdivided in two, and then that half can be subdivided in two again, we arrive at a situation where an infinite set of progressively smaller half-way points can be generated between any two points in time.

This would mean that there are an infinite number of moments that occur in one second. But by definition, an infinite is a number without end - it would be impossible to ever 'complete' an infinity. Therefore it should also be impossible to complete an infinite set of events within a finite period of time (n.b. calculus does not resolve this paradox, it uses limits to show what an answer must be, not that an infinite set can be completed)

Alternatively, one can imagine that there is a minimum unit of time, just as there is hypothetically a minimum unit of space, colloquially referred to as the Planck time. One can imagine this as being similar to a pixellated screen. Your screen is composed of a number of discrete pixels, or tiny lights, which make images.

In theory then, time would advance forward in small jumps. If we imagine the planck time being one second in length, it would be as if we erratically jumped forward in all of our actions from one second to the next as if we were watching a very slow stop-motion film.

However this poses its own set of challenges, because when you discretize time in this way, it is the same as viewing time as a collection of frozen snapshots of the world, in much the same way that each frame in a stop-motion film is not moving at all.

But no motion is possible when time is frozen still. And forces can not transfer between objects if there is no time. If our world really was a series of snapshots, forces couldn't act 'between' the snapshots in the same way one frame in a stop-motion film can't affect another. They exist in different times, in much the same way a 2-dimensional object in a 3D space can't access or influence another 2-dimensional object placed at a different height in the same 3D space.

In order to avoid a paradox, we must accept that time must be discretized. But in order for this picture to make sense, it must be the case that all energy and/or matter does not actually affect itself through the laws of physics, but rather has a pathway that is predetermined in the same manner as a stop-motion film.

Thoughts?
Thoughts :

- interesting choice of place to post,

- interesting reseaonning but seems to contain (at least) questionnable assumptions,

- funny how similar problematics apply to space.
Dont over anlayze 😀

No such problem exists. Time is a beneficial thing. Just ask bullet players 🙂
When you copy/paste huge slabs of stuff and try to pass it off as your own work,it's better to edit out the double-spacing between paragraphs and maybe throw in a couple of punctuation errors. Makes it look more authentic...lol
"Therefore it should also be impossible to complete an infinite set of events within a finite period of time".

There exists no infinite set of events which happens in a finite time. That would mean these events have a zero timespan. An event with a zero timespan is per definitionem not an event. The bigger the number you use to divide the finite timespan, the more nothing each resulting event becomes. The problem here is simply that infinity is just a theoretical construct. You can not divide finite by infinite and get something practical, as well as you can not travel faster than light.
Its always fun when people accuse you of plagiarism with no evidence to support it. You can easily prove plagiarism by copy and pasting any of my paragraphs onto google to look for duplicates; none exist. Have I learned things throughout my studies that informed my post? Yes. Zeno's paradox being one of them, which informed my views on infinites not existing in nature. But this isn't a direct copy and paste by any stretch of the imagination.

@FELUR1AN I saw another topic on this board called Philosophy 1 or something, so I thought why not post something too :P. I know this board isn't filled with philosophers or deep thinkers necessarily. But I still thought it would be fun to get people to think more deeply about things. That was the main motivation. But I know there are a few careful thinkers on this board, and on the off chance they read this I'm also kind of interested in their feedback. I guess its the 1% of the lichess community :P. The rest I can just enjoy their amusing/amused responses. Like the time machine dude :P.

@tictactactic I appreciate the thought. But I'm not sure if that really works; because take any event that occurs between time t = 0 and t = 1. You can subdivide into two: time t = 0 and t = 0.5, and t = 0.5 to t = 1. This can go on 'infinitely' and you don't need to posit a zero time-span event. Because there is no limit to how small t can be. I.e. you can continue to subdivide to t = 0.00000000000001 to t = 0.00000000000002 and so on with as many zeroes as you want.

This implies an infinite series of events could occur within a finite timespan, if you allow for the infinite subdivision of time. If you're arguing that by definition, an infinite number of events REQUIRES that the timespan be zero, and thus a contradiction n the sense that events can't have zero time span - then you're arguing for my point anyway so I'm happy to agree with you. It just seems kind of definitional so I prefer fleshing things out a bit more

This topic has been archived and can no longer be replied to.