Takeback request abuse

Hi, although I am not 100 percent sure, in this game http://cs.lichess.org//bmvnsued3hwu my opponent requested a takeback and then in quick succession he changed it to draw offer. So instead of giving a takeback I accepted a draw in completely won position. If this is really the case, maybe a change in positioning each offer/request should differ.

I THINK, IT'S BETTER WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A TAKE BACK.. THAT'S UNFAIR!!

I common solution is to only allow the player to make a proposition on their turn, and only allow one proposition per turn. I think this is a good change that Thibault could introduce (by default).

And now that player settings are possible. Not allowing takeback and draw requests for all games can be made possible.

A* common solution...

It's difficult to picture a real replica of this scenario in real rated chess or tournaments.

Casually, your opponent could stick out his hand, asking for a takeback, but then quickly say after that he actually wants a draw. If you shook his hand but didn't listen carefully, while you have every right to state you had no intention of a draw, you still fell for a simple psychological trap in a casual game.

Of course, the only real regulatory fashions for behaviors on what happens are in the rated/professional games.

And the road block hiding that line from being drawn here on Lichess, I think is that rated games enable you to request takebacks/undo. I wouldn't call it a bug in rated games, or some feature nobody has a valid reason to want, but people have a different set of intentions when they're playing for points.

But yeah, there are still other ways of looking at it.

Tip for more victory: Never accept draws or takebacks. Don't even point cursors near it.

Otherwise, it's just as exploitable of a merciful arrogance as anything else that has a rule attached to it like stalemate.

I request per move on your own turn is a very common rule that is used on sites such as chesscube. It's very fair and follows from tournament rules.

I think that it should be implemented as soon as possible as I too have come across people who abuse the request buttons.

You are already granted only one draw request per move. I can't do the same with takeback, because sometimes you want to go several moves back.

Only allowing it on your move would be confusing on the UI level, highly impractical (when you blunder and want to takeback, it's your opponent move) and I don't see how it would fix the problem.

That's true. Fair enough.

Would blocking take-backs be a feature to be seen in the new preferences? (If it were to be added. Have a drop down with the options: "Always Allow", "Never Allow", "Only in Casual")

yes, I will add that to my todo list.

In my opinion takeback should only be an option in unrated, casual games. The movement of the pieces is so good on this site there really shouldn't be any accidental slips.