@Noflaps said in #39:
> @ALucasM , I suggest you read (for the first time?) the very last line of my initial post. Then you will realize that I did, indeed, see "englsh" in my title.
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> As for Donald Trump being a "moron," @ThunderClap, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I'll be surprised if anybody you know argues with it. But when reflecting upon it, should you ever happen to do that, ask yourself: have things improved over the last three years? Surely, taking over from a "moron" would ordinarily result in improvement. no? Do you sense a lot of improvement?
>
> I'd be curious to know what improvements you sense. Fewer mean tweets? Or whatever we call """tweets" nowadays?
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> "Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by this ton of pork..... " ... my tribute to the vast improvement in American politics over the last few years, with a nod to an Englishman of real repute.
I would say that the current of events that effect the quality of our lives are well beyond the scope of who is the president of the US - sure they can influence a bit of this or that in the long term - but mostly the position is
A) reacting to the effects of events put into motion long before they took office
B) reacting to current events completely out of the control of the person in office - of which the effects of the actions taken mostly wont take effect until they're out of office
C) coping with the extreme level of partisan inhibition of actually being able to do anything as president
D) restructuring different elements of the government - mostly the effect of which isn't seen until many years later either (i.e. the post office, epa or park service attempts to being totally gutted by the previous admin)
So other than some foreign policy posturing - emergency measures related to covid, financial measures taken to cope with emergency measures related to covid, a whole lot of nothing has happened over the last 8 years due to each parties staunchness in inhibiting even the most simple bill from passing congress.
The main change has been in the atmosphere of politics, and the increased acceptance of the threat of extra-legal measures, abuse of power of office, and nature of democracy in the country as a whole.
(and this isn't condoning one party or the other - more acknowledging the broken nature of the entire system as a whole regardless of who controls it - and our inability to accurately assess the actual effects of what the president does - more what we see is the reaction of people to those actions in the short term, not the actual effect which comes much later)
> @ALucasM , I suggest you read (for the first time?) the very last line of my initial post. Then you will realize that I did, indeed, see "englsh" in my title.
>
> As for Donald Trump being a "moron," @ThunderClap, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I'll be surprised if anybody you know argues with it. But when reflecting upon it, should you ever happen to do that, ask yourself: have things improved over the last three years? Surely, taking over from a "moron" would ordinarily result in improvement. no? Do you sense a lot of improvement?
>
> I'd be curious to know what improvements you sense. Fewer mean tweets? Or whatever we call """tweets" nowadays?
>
> "Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by this ton of pork..... " ... my tribute to the vast improvement in American politics over the last few years, with a nod to an Englishman of real repute.
I would say that the current of events that effect the quality of our lives are well beyond the scope of who is the president of the US - sure they can influence a bit of this or that in the long term - but mostly the position is
A) reacting to the effects of events put into motion long before they took office
B) reacting to current events completely out of the control of the person in office - of which the effects of the actions taken mostly wont take effect until they're out of office
C) coping with the extreme level of partisan inhibition of actually being able to do anything as president
D) restructuring different elements of the government - mostly the effect of which isn't seen until many years later either (i.e. the post office, epa or park service attempts to being totally gutted by the previous admin)
So other than some foreign policy posturing - emergency measures related to covid, financial measures taken to cope with emergency measures related to covid, a whole lot of nothing has happened over the last 8 years due to each parties staunchness in inhibiting even the most simple bill from passing congress.
The main change has been in the atmosphere of politics, and the increased acceptance of the threat of extra-legal measures, abuse of power of office, and nature of democracy in the country as a whole.
(and this isn't condoning one party or the other - more acknowledging the broken nature of the entire system as a whole regardless of who controls it - and our inability to accurately assess the actual effects of what the president does - more what we see is the reaction of people to those actions in the short term, not the actual effect which comes much later)
