both the countries are not giving up. Some parts of Ukraine are captured by Russian troops, some they can't capture and some are captured but Ukrainian troops fought and forced them to give back. Ukraine's deputy minister has said they will not give up and they will not leave weapons from their hands. I agree with her because Ukraine is a independent country and not a puppet of Putin
Ukraine has never been independent. It was a puppet of the United States and now it will be a puppet of Russia. The war between the USA and Russia will be continued until the last Ukrainian.
This is not a proxy war.
The war will end when Russian citizens step up against the regime. There have already been anti-war protests in over 40 Russian cities, some being heavily repelled by the police - especially in Moscow). If enough people come together it won’t be possible to detain them anymore, however.
Maybe one way to make that happen faster is to stop buying Russian gas. Either if the starving population goes to the streets or ideally if one of the oligarchs being cut off of money and having to burn their gas or even (sometimes irreversibly) close the drilling sites smears a little Novichok on Putin.
German economic experts predict a worst case scenario of losing 3% GDP (less than the effects of Corona pandemic. Source: www.econtribute.de/RePEc/ajk/ajkpbs/ECONtribute_PB_028_2022.pdf). I think it’s time to show Russia and Ukraine that we are prepared to move forward and we no longer want to snowball previous mistakes out of materialistic fears.
The war will end when Russian citizens step up against the regime. There have already been anti-war protests in over 40 Russian cities, some being heavily repelled by the police - especially in Moscow). If enough people come together it won’t be possible to detain them anymore, however.
Maybe one way to make that happen faster is to stop buying Russian gas. Either if the starving population goes to the streets or ideally if one of the oligarchs being cut off of money and having to burn their gas or even (sometimes irreversibly) close the drilling sites smears a little Novichok on Putin.
German economic experts predict a worst case scenario of losing 3% GDP (less than the effects of Corona pandemic. Source: www.econtribute.de/RePEc/ajk/ajkpbs/ECONtribute_PB_028_2022.pdf). I think it’s time to show Russia and Ukraine that we are prepared to move forward and we no longer want to snowball previous mistakes out of materialistic fears.
@Sasha_Agababyan said in #2:
> Ukraine has never been independent. It was a puppet of the United States and now it will be a puppet of Russia. The war between the USA and Russia will be continued until the last Ukrainian.
Who writes your stuff? Funniest since Seinfeld. You didn't know about the Ukraine being part of the USSR? 1992?
> Ukraine has never been independent. It was a puppet of the United States and now it will be a puppet of Russia. The war between the USA and Russia will be continued until the last Ukrainian.
Who writes your stuff? Funniest since Seinfeld. You didn't know about the Ukraine being part of the USSR? 1992?
This war will end on the ruins of kremlin
@obladie said in #4:
> Who writes your stuff? Funniest since Seinfeld. You didn't know about the Ukraine being part of the USSR? 1992?
It wasn't Ukraine, it was USR (Ukrainian Soviet Republik). Before 1921 this territory was just a part of Russia named MaloRossiya (Small Russia). In middle ages Kiev was even a capital of Russia. In 1919 when Russian Empire fall this territory was pronaunced as USR and joined Soviet Union. In 1991 Ukraine declared independency and since then US start attempts to occupy it. In 2014 after putch organized by US it become under full control of US. Need to understand that there is no such nation as ukrainians - they are usual russians. If you'll check history then you'll find that word Ukraine appeared in 1917 and before it was like Okraina (translated as border part of Russia). It's a war between the US and Russia, and both sides don't care about the Ukrainians.
> Who writes your stuff? Funniest since Seinfeld. You didn't know about the Ukraine being part of the USSR? 1992?
It wasn't Ukraine, it was USR (Ukrainian Soviet Republik). Before 1921 this territory was just a part of Russia named MaloRossiya (Small Russia). In middle ages Kiev was even a capital of Russia. In 1919 when Russian Empire fall this territory was pronaunced as USR and joined Soviet Union. In 1991 Ukraine declared independency and since then US start attempts to occupy it. In 2014 after putch organized by US it become under full control of US. Need to understand that there is no such nation as ukrainians - they are usual russians. If you'll check history then you'll find that word Ukraine appeared in 1917 and before it was like Okraina (translated as border part of Russia). It's a war between the US and Russia, and both sides don't care about the Ukrainians.
@Sasha_Agababyan said in #6:
> It wasn't Ukraine, it was USR (Ukrainian Soviet Republik). Before 1921 this territory was just a part of Russia named MaloRossiya (Small Russia). In middle ages Kiev was even a capital of Russia. In 1919 when Russian Empire fall this territory was pronaunced as USR and joined Soviet Union. In 1991 Ukraine declared independency and since then US start attempts to occupy it. In 2014 after putch organized by US it become under full control of US. Need to understand that there is no such nation as ukrainians - they are usual russians. If you'll check history then you'll find that word Ukraine appeared in 1917 and before it was like Okraina (translated as border part of Russia). It's a war between the US and Russia, and both sides don't care about the Ukrainians.
LOLOLOL
> It wasn't Ukraine, it was USR (Ukrainian Soviet Republik). Before 1921 this territory was just a part of Russia named MaloRossiya (Small Russia). In middle ages Kiev was even a capital of Russia. In 1919 when Russian Empire fall this territory was pronaunced as USR and joined Soviet Union. In 1991 Ukraine declared independency and since then US start attempts to occupy it. In 2014 after putch organized by US it become under full control of US. Need to understand that there is no such nation as ukrainians - they are usual russians. If you'll check history then you'll find that word Ukraine appeared in 1917 and before it was like Okraina (translated as border part of Russia). It's a war between the US and Russia, and both sides don't care about the Ukrainians.
LOLOLOL
Ukraine’s history predates that of Russia by a couple of hundred years, but just continue to humiliate yourself, it’s rather funny.
Kiev existed when there wasn’t a single ox cart running around in what’s now Moscow. Russia originated from the old Kiev empire and not the other way around.
Also: who cares? All those historic facts thrown around, right or wrong, are mostly „red herrings“ to distract from the horrors happening right now. You can’t find legitimation now, let’s go back couple years. Go back, go back, nothing to go back to, let’s make something up!
Kiev existed when there wasn’t a single ox cart running around in what’s now Moscow. Russia originated from the old Kiev empire and not the other way around.
Also: who cares? All those historic facts thrown around, right or wrong, are mostly „red herrings“ to distract from the horrors happening right now. You can’t find legitimation now, let’s go back couple years. Go back, go back, nothing to go back to, let’s make something up!
Possibly before 9 may - this is victory day - russia's most important national holiday. if putin doesn't secure victory before then, the public may lose some confidence.
@Rookitiki said in #8:
> Ukraine’s history predates that of Russia by a couple of hundred years, but just continue to humiliate yourself, it’s rather funny.
>
> Kiev existed when there wasn’t a single ox cart running around in what’s now Moscow. Russia originated from the old Kiev empire and not the other way around.
It wasn't Ukraine. It was Russia. Kiev was a capital of anicent Russia. For example, the 11th century Sophia Cathedral of Kiev has many wall graffiti inscriptions, and all of them are in Ancient Russian language. Tell any citizen of Kiev of the 11th century or the Kiev prince Yaroslav the Wise that he is not Russian, but some kind of Ukrainian - they would immediately put you on a stake. :) And you're right, Moscow was a small province that time. After mongols burned out Kiev and killed a lot of russians the capital was moved to Moscow and territory near Kiev become empty for the hundreds of years (Dikoe Pole). Only in 17-18th centrury russians get back to this territory. And till 1917 this was MaloRossiya, part of Russian Empire with russian citizens aka cossacks. After Empire fall the word "Ukraine" appeared and also russians live there called themself as ukrainians. But genetically they are usual russians.
> Ukraine’s history predates that of Russia by a couple of hundred years, but just continue to humiliate yourself, it’s rather funny.
>
> Kiev existed when there wasn’t a single ox cart running around in what’s now Moscow. Russia originated from the old Kiev empire and not the other way around.
It wasn't Ukraine. It was Russia. Kiev was a capital of anicent Russia. For example, the 11th century Sophia Cathedral of Kiev has many wall graffiti inscriptions, and all of them are in Ancient Russian language. Tell any citizen of Kiev of the 11th century or the Kiev prince Yaroslav the Wise that he is not Russian, but some kind of Ukrainian - they would immediately put you on a stake. :) And you're right, Moscow was a small province that time. After mongols burned out Kiev and killed a lot of russians the capital was moved to Moscow and territory near Kiev become empty for the hundreds of years (Dikoe Pole). Only in 17-18th centrury russians get back to this territory. And till 1917 this was MaloRossiya, part of Russian Empire with russian citizens aka cossacks. After Empire fall the word "Ukraine" appeared and also russians live there called themself as ukrainians. But genetically they are usual russians.
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