@bufferunderrun said in #51:
> My question is, why should you now all of the sudden be rated 2600?
They won't be for very long. This is where other people and bots shouldn't be the ones deciding what your elo is or isn't. Because let's say you refund it and they are now 2600. Well that's gonna drop real fast isn't it? Because then they will continue to lose until they are again at whatever their strength is. This is where their merit will come in. As I mentioned several times earlier.
We also know that most cheater aren't in that rating range. The elo lost is generally a very small amount and not actually 100 points or even close to it.
Just as you being paid $1,000, does not mean you should not have $1,100 because ya got robbed. Oh that's enough money now because it'd put you in a different tax bracket or something.
This logic is absurd and I have a very hard time taking it seriously. It sounds an awful lot like it's an excuse because of rampant cheaters. So if you actually did start just refunding the direct elo lost the sheer volume of cheats would blow the rating up all over the place and cause issues. You even had to pick a wild and unreasonable scenario close to that to even try arguing it. It says a lot really. Some guy that's already 2500 might be 2600 for a day before his rating drops back down from being beat. Or he would continue to improve and this arbitrary "you had enough" elo is just excuse making because I guess you think if you dropped me at a GM elo level I'd just be a grandmaster now unfairly because I lost a bajillion elo to one cheater. This is nonsense on face value alone. If we assume normal games and these claims of rampant cheaters really is fake. If there are rampant cheats it makes sense because ya can't be refunding dudes 10 points a pop for 100 games because it'd mess up the system. But apparently that isn't the case, right? So we should be looking at fairly small exchanges or trivial ones.
Or someone just has to admit the system is broken and so they need this busted, absurd system in place to make sure elos stay consistent and that a 1000 rated player doesn't shoot off into grandmaster territory from a refund. But that would mean admitting to the rampant cheating problem. If there isn't one then what I said is completely reasonable and works great. Know how I know? Everyone else does it that way and it works just fine. Works great. Seems awfully convenient that only the site with massive complaints about cheaters has to use logic this absurd for a simple concept: give back what was taken illegitimately/unfairly.