lichess has no functional reporting and banning system

@Erisian said in #46:
> That's like being mugged for $100 and you tell the cops, but by then you got paid again. So the cops aren't gonna do anything because you lost that $100, but then you got paid and giving you that cash back would be too much since you made it back being paid. How about just returning what was lost unfairly? Why is that not a good option to do? Why not even give it back to people who didn't report instead of hiding it and just assuming they're cool with the outcome? I mean really.
Rating is not a payment, it's more like a shoe size. When I buy new shoes, I don't go for the biggest ones I can get, but the ones that fit my feet the best.

@Artem-Kozirev said in #35:
> I agree, you are stating the facts, soon you will ba harassed by the usual trolls, the same ones in all threads in the forum with the ok from the moderators, any attempt from a honest user to demand transparency they blow it. Welcome to lichess.

In what way can lichess be more transparent that wont lead to a witch hunt?

if report result given like denied that starts a witch hunt in the forums saying x is cheating etc
If saying being read they would just check if the reported player was banned

Only thing i can think of is adding daily banned figures
which is a terrible metric to measure on because more and less is good
thats why i said earlier the only way to determine anything or to test how good the mod system is
to take the games and use the a third party source to anylise and see

@Artem-Kozirev said in #31:
> If you are curious as you say and demand a simple user like anyone else who has no access to the system to give you the answer you want with a high scientifical backup, why don't you with the same curiosity and formality demand from lichess such figures ? In fact why don't you request a 3rd party IT audit to lichess to finally kow what is going on and where we are standing. A 3rd IT audit is of outmost importance due to the lack of credibility from lichess on this matter( opaque as usual which is something rooted in lichess' dna -TOS-). I do not see your curiousity going so far ... I only see your curiosity putting in a corner the honest weaks demanding transparency, make me be wrong, I honestly want to be wrong.

Because that's not relevant here? I love Lichess, but there are some parts of Lichess that I don't like. If I am going to discuss them, I'd create a separate post or post it on a relevant thread. I won't spam it repeatedly on unrelated topics.

@war_rocket_ajax said in #15:
> I have read through the threads and it is quite apparent that confidence in anti cheat measures are quite low.
people writing to forums are really tiny minority of player and not a unbiased sample in regars suffering "I see cheaters all the time" syndrome. Hence you cannot make conclusion if people playing in lichess trust or do not trust unti- cheating effort in lichess

@Erisian said in #43:
> Which is incentivized by the way the site handles cheaters. Not only because if you don't report them you just get ripped off for your points,
Nope, points refund is dependent on several things and whether you reported them is not one of them

@war_rocket_ajax said in #16:
> compared to chess.com I report less in chess.com and get a lot of rating points back. Clearly there is less cheating on chess.com than on lichess. Play 50 bullet games on either platform and you will absolutely see the difference.

I've never cheated and yet I get accused at least once a month. I'm sure to these people I fall into the category of "lichess doesn't ban cheaters", when in reality it's the cheat detection system in their head that is miscalibrated and creates false positives when I play moves they don't expect.

If you see cheaters everywhere, self-educating yourself on how to read computer analysis is a good first step. When someone plays stronger than I expect or I think they might be cheating, first step is to look at the computer analysis and 9/10 I blundered and they took advantage of it.

@sheckley666 said in #60:
> As to now, 194 forum posts of you are freely readable to anyone in the world with internet. All of them appear to have the same topic "cheating" and lichess' lack of fighting against it. So your mouth has not been covered.
>
> I suggest to 3d party audit your claims before making them.

You do not count the bans, shadow-bans, harassing, bullying, threats and disrespectful treatment from the trolls around here with the help of some moderators which look somewhere else thus allowing the so called institutional violence which are part of the attempts to gag legit and honest claims for transparency which seems to bother. Not to mention the unanswereed e-mails to contact@lichess.org and legal@lichess.org to solve those matters in an amiccable way before going to Court. Nothing is for free or easy if you want things upright. The easy way is that of the usual obsequent trolls who literally lick the a** of those who make the wrong decisions here applauding their errors, that is their comfort zone, how about you ?

@Artem-Kozirev said in #31:
>If you are curious as you say and demand a simple user like anyone else who has no access to the system to give you the answer you want with a high scientifical backup, why don't you with the same curiosity and formality demand from lichess such figures ? In fact why don't you request a 3rd party IT audit to lichess to finally kow what is going on and where we are standing. A 3rd IT audit is of outmost importance due to the lack of credibility from lichess on this matter( opaque as usual which is something rooted in lichess' dna -TOS-). I do not see your curiousity going so far ... I only see your curiosity putting in a corner the honest weaks demanding transparency, make me be wrong, I honestly want to be wrong.

@sgtlaugh said in #63
Because that's not relevant here? I love Lichess, but there are some parts of Lichess that I don't like. If I am going to discuss them, I'd create a separate post or post it on a relevant thread. I won't spam it repeatedly on unrelated topics

@sgtlaugh
You only see relevant to request to the small what you do not dare to request to the big, You have just made a selfie, what was clear is now crystal clear. You are an excellent photographer. My fingers are on its way to push the block button on your name.

@Artem-Kozirev said in #67:
> how about you ?
My impression is crystal clear.
You are talking about disrespect and call other users a** licking trolls.
You are complaining about threats and are threatening your hosts with court.
You claim to fight against censorship but actually you want to censor everyone who dares to disagree with you.

@petri999 said in #65:
> Nope, points refund is dependent on several things and whether you reported them is not one of them

I'm pretty sure it is. If you don't report it's treated as if you found no issue with the game and accept it or didn't think they cheated that game. Hence why as long as lichess uses this broken system and allows rampant cheating it's always best to just report any game you lose or found even vaguely suspicious. Nothing will likely happen even if it is a cheater but maybe you'll get lucky.