@CasualChessCafe said in #7:
> Saying 'this isn't good, why was it posted?' is not "whining", it's feedback.
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> This is the feedback section.
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> This is the year 2022. It is generally accepted in English that "man" is no longer used to mean everyone. In the modern era, we say "humanity", "people", or "mankind" at a push. It's an even longer stretch to make "A man" mean "a woman".
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> I'd be extremely surprised to hear any woman who had spent 9 months or so forming children out of her own flesh, inside her own body for 9 months, then fed them milk made in her body, from her body, describe those children as "pawns" "which should help [her] to win".
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> This quote relies on the old idea that a man's family were his "chattel" or property, to be categorised alongside his wealth and books. Otherwise, I agree that it's a pompous and meaningless quote.
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> Everyone here would like to see more women playing chess, in order to have a more even gender balance, right? Unless I'm wrong, and guys here would overtly prefer chess to remain 95%+ male, then I think there's something to be said for listening to female plays when they say something is offputting to women.
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> As opposed to insulting them, or defending quotes which are insipid at best. If the aim is actually to keep women out of chess, then carry on as is.
How is saying the word "man" (which as a term has been around for a while - and not just in chess) sexist? You're not referring to males. You're just referring to humankind. I think this is a very unimportant detail that is not worth debating. However, I do see how this quote is "whiny".
> Saying 'this isn't good, why was it posted?' is not "whining", it's feedback.
>
> This is the feedback section.
>
> This is the year 2022. It is generally accepted in English that "man" is no longer used to mean everyone. In the modern era, we say "humanity", "people", or "mankind" at a push. It's an even longer stretch to make "A man" mean "a woman".
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> I'd be extremely surprised to hear any woman who had spent 9 months or so forming children out of her own flesh, inside her own body for 9 months, then fed them milk made in her body, from her body, describe those children as "pawns" "which should help [her] to win".
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> This quote relies on the old idea that a man's family were his "chattel" or property, to be categorised alongside his wealth and books. Otherwise, I agree that it's a pompous and meaningless quote.
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> Everyone here would like to see more women playing chess, in order to have a more even gender balance, right? Unless I'm wrong, and guys here would overtly prefer chess to remain 95%+ male, then I think there's something to be said for listening to female plays when they say something is offputting to women.
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> As opposed to insulting them, or defending quotes which are insipid at best. If the aim is actually to keep women out of chess, then carry on as is.
How is saying the word "man" (which as a term has been around for a while - and not just in chess) sexist? You're not referring to males. You're just referring to humankind. I think this is a very unimportant detail that is not worth debating. However, I do see how this quote is "whiny".