How long before a coup,a revolt or an assassination?
Judging by John's revelations, it might be... "a while" :D
300 000 is probably too small. More towards 1 million people.
I hope they wake up and do something about their life, but many of them seem happy just to drink a little more alcohol, many alcoholics.
I hope they wake up and do something about their life, but many of them seem happy just to drink a little more alcohol, many alcoholics.
How many draftees were there in Vietnam?
if russian army worked like the police in moscow and jekaterinburg they wouldve won the war by now. crazy how many they can stuff in those buses. one keeps wondering where they are being taken to tho, surely the jails are full already?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbD-1P4wziY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbD-1P4wziY
Unfortunately not everyone of the 300.000 would unwillingly go to war. Majority still support the Russian government.
Nationalism in Russia is high. True, that the people don't wanna go or be forced to go to war.
But majority of Russian people still love and trust president Putin.
- Partly because of government controlled media, during the last 2 decades, have portrayed him as an intelligent strong leader and a russian patriot.
- Partly because during his reign, russians have experienced an huge economic growth, one which they didn't have under the USSR.
- Partly because of the last 50 years of diplomacy have turned the people to distrust all foreign media while domestic media, have simultaneously made them somewhat disinterested in their government politics.
A perfect example is what made Alexei Navalny such a dangerous political adversary to Putin.
He was also a patriot, and he returned to Russia, despite the attempt on his life, even at the risk of death or prison.
But he was silenced in prison. And even though he was well liked/respected, he is still in prison. Despite large protests at the time, many of which also went to jail.
Unless someone already in position of power overthrows him, the Russian public won't speak up in mass.
The protests aren't good for him, but they alone can't change anything, without help from someone on the inside to take over.
Nationalism in Russia is high. True, that the people don't wanna go or be forced to go to war.
But majority of Russian people still love and trust president Putin.
- Partly because of government controlled media, during the last 2 decades, have portrayed him as an intelligent strong leader and a russian patriot.
- Partly because during his reign, russians have experienced an huge economic growth, one which they didn't have under the USSR.
- Partly because of the last 50 years of diplomacy have turned the people to distrust all foreign media while domestic media, have simultaneously made them somewhat disinterested in their government politics.
A perfect example is what made Alexei Navalny such a dangerous political adversary to Putin.
He was also a patriot, and he returned to Russia, despite the attempt on his life, even at the risk of death or prison.
But he was silenced in prison. And even though he was well liked/respected, he is still in prison. Despite large protests at the time, many of which also went to jail.
Unless someone already in position of power overthrows him, the Russian public won't speak up in mass.
The protests aren't good for him, but they alone can't change anything, without help from someone on the inside to take over.
@NaturalBornTraveller
A well thought out response.
A well thought out response.
@NaturalBornTraveller said in #6:
> Unfortunately not everyone of the 300.000 would unwillingly go to war. Majority still support the Russian government.
>
> Nationalism in Russia is high. True, that the people don't wanna go or be forced to go to war.
> But majority of Russian people still love and trust president Putin.
> - Partly because of government controlled media, during the last 2 decades, have portrayed him as an intelligent strong leader and a russian patriot.
> - Partly because during his reign, russians have experienced an huge economic growth, one which they didn't have under the USSR.
> - Partly because of the last 50 years of diplomacy have turned the people to distrust all foreign media while domestic media, have simultaneously made them somewhat disinterested in their government politics.
>
> A perfect example is what made Alexei Navalny such a dangerous political adversary to Putin.
> He was also a patriot, and he returned to Russia, despite the attempt on his life, even at the risk of death or prison.
> But he was silenced in prison. And even though he was well liked/respected, he is still in prison. Despite large protests at the time, many of which also went to jail.
>
> Unless someone already in position of power overthrows him, the Russian public won't speak up in mass.
>
> The protests aren't good for him, but they alone can't change anything, without help from someone on the inside to take over.
We don't actually know if people actually en masse like him, they may say so, but saying so is different in this instance that actually feeling so.
Probably more than they fear his government - and that will only last as long as it appears without apparent weakness (an appearance which is beginning to dwindle.)
> Unfortunately not everyone of the 300.000 would unwillingly go to war. Majority still support the Russian government.
>
> Nationalism in Russia is high. True, that the people don't wanna go or be forced to go to war.
> But majority of Russian people still love and trust president Putin.
> - Partly because of government controlled media, during the last 2 decades, have portrayed him as an intelligent strong leader and a russian patriot.
> - Partly because during his reign, russians have experienced an huge economic growth, one which they didn't have under the USSR.
> - Partly because of the last 50 years of diplomacy have turned the people to distrust all foreign media while domestic media, have simultaneously made them somewhat disinterested in their government politics.
>
> A perfect example is what made Alexei Navalny such a dangerous political adversary to Putin.
> He was also a patriot, and he returned to Russia, despite the attempt on his life, even at the risk of death or prison.
> But he was silenced in prison. And even though he was well liked/respected, he is still in prison. Despite large protests at the time, many of which also went to jail.
>
> Unless someone already in position of power overthrows him, the Russian public won't speak up in mass.
>
> The protests aren't good for him, but they alone can't change anything, without help from someone on the inside to take over.
We don't actually know if people actually en masse like him, they may say so, but saying so is different in this instance that actually feeling so.
Probably more than they fear his government - and that will only last as long as it appears without apparent weakness (an appearance which is beginning to dwindle.)
What I was surprised by, listening to commentators on this war, is the possibility now of a further breakup of Russia. If the Russian army is defeated badly enough it opens the door for a revolt in other oblasts (Russian states) to claim their own independence.
But with respect to the draftees, I really hope that they see through the war and the harm it has done to ordinary people. A lot of people can't be happy being brought to the front against their will, and especially with the poor logistics and unmotivated Russian troops, I think there is a really good possibility that they will just defect once they get to the front lines and see an opportunity to do so.
Because while Russia does control the media, they don't black out everything. Many family members receive direct reports from troops on telegram, a chat service, telling them what it's actually like in Ukraine. I think more know what a sham the whole thing is than we might realize, especially the idea that Ukraine is controlled by Nazis. If they realize they're being lied to about everything...and they are being told to die for that lie, I think people will decide they've had enough and will just leave Russia.
So hopefully the end result is a breakup of Russia. They've been a force for evil for a long time now, funding repressive governments around the world like in Syria, not to mention repressing the democratic rights of their own people.
But with respect to the draftees, I really hope that they see through the war and the harm it has done to ordinary people. A lot of people can't be happy being brought to the front against their will, and especially with the poor logistics and unmotivated Russian troops, I think there is a really good possibility that they will just defect once they get to the front lines and see an opportunity to do so.
Because while Russia does control the media, they don't black out everything. Many family members receive direct reports from troops on telegram, a chat service, telling them what it's actually like in Ukraine. I think more know what a sham the whole thing is than we might realize, especially the idea that Ukraine is controlled by Nazis. If they realize they're being lied to about everything...and they are being told to die for that lie, I think people will decide they've had enough and will just leave Russia.
So hopefully the end result is a breakup of Russia. They've been a force for evil for a long time now, funding repressive governments around the world like in Syria, not to mention repressing the democratic rights of their own people.
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