Should I vote for Bernie?

@Crapablanca64 "I'm talking about his paid employees who support throwing people who disagree with them into gulags."

Where do you get this from?

"My main concern is that the DNC is going to maneuver Bloomberg to the nomination."

Wouldn't put it past them, they did it for Clinton.

@Letgoofmychessego He's talking about the time that AOC mixed up famous economists Milton Friedmen and Maynard Keynes by talking about "Milton Keynes". I'm thinking she might be a human being maybe? It's not a mistake that has caused me any psychological distress, but apparently clousems is very fraglie such that it has caused him to "weep daily for humanity".

Meanwhile the actual president of the USA, the leader of the party that clousems supports, says things like this:

“This is a tough hurricane, one of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water.”

Finland doesn't have forest fire problems because they rake their forests.

"This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water,"

"When during the campaign I would say, 'Mexico's going to pay for it,' obviously I never said this,"

"And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters...They were great letters. And then we fell in love," (On Kim Jong Un, North Korean leader of one of the most evil dictatorships on the planet.)

Anyone one of these are 100x more worth weeping over than getting a name mixed up.

@Crapablanca64 Link is paywalled, so I found this instead. www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Sanders-staffer-said-he-supports-armed-revolution-and-killing-the-rich-615277 And watched the video on youtube.

Sanders is clearly the most progressive, socialist candidate running, therefore it's no surprise to me that his campaign attracts the most radical, who else would they support? The left is not a monolith, there's a wide range of views. As far as I can see this is just a couple of guys mouthing off in front of their buddies. The video I watched was literally a youngish guy in a bar talking subversive 'look at me I'm so radical' stuff. Wow. Who has ever head of such a thing... No plan, no secret conspiracy, just a guy in a bar talking s**t. It was pretty obvious to me that when he talked about sending Republicans to re-education camps that he was joking. It was just a throwaway joke, not a serious desire good f***ing grief. Man the right gets scared easily. Meanwhile over on the alt-right there's mountain of guys furiously egging each other on talking about getting their guns polished up for the civil war that they'll bring if the 'deep state' prevents Trump from winning again. Basically all he was saying was that the USSR wasn't as bad as the West cracks it up to be, plus some out of context brag in a bar line about, "I'll learn to shoot, I'm ready for the revolution." Somehow Bernie Sanders has to sort this out? Please...

People have a right to their opinions, it's called free speech. You want Sanders to fire the guy because his personal opinions are too radical? That sounds pretty authoritarian. That sounds like something the Soviet or Chinese communists would do if someone had a non politically correct opinion.

Besides, if Sanders did that he would be falling into the trap of playing the game that such cheap 'gotcha' journalism wants. Next it will be, "Sanders campaign infested with commie radicals", "Sanders admits his workers love Stalin", "We talked to 100 Sanders supporters and found another Sanders worker saying scary things over here", etc. Surely you see it makes much more sense for him to just ignore it? If he responded to all the smear journalism he receives he wouldn't time for anything else.

Sanders got arrested at a protest for black rights in the 60s. He's the real deal. I don't think you really believe he's into gulags and guillotines, so why pay any attention to this obvious cheap scare mongering?

@king_delicious
To clarify the sorrow from the economics thing:
AOC graduated from Boston College (a prestigious school) with a degree in economics. John Keynes and Milton Friedmann represented two very different schools of thought in the economics world, and two of the most famous economists of all time. I can assure you that by the end of my first year of undergrad studying econ, I would have been launched out of the business building with a trebuchet if I made that mistake. If she had either only typed "Milton Keynes", or only said it, I could chalk it up to a simple slip, but considering how both occured, I have my doubts.
Trump also makes me weep daily. I am not a Trump supporter. I am a registered republican, but that doesn't mean I agree with my party on every issue. I'm just uber-pro market, and concerned more with the economy than anything else. As a result, I would probably vote for Satan over Bernie for US president. Although, now that I think about it, Satan would probably be a better president than most politicians on either side...

@SlicingBishop2006 : If I were to label myself, I would say I was a Bourbon Democrat. But you are correct about my not liking the system of political parties.

@king_delicious

I know people like the leftists in the videos. They aren't joking. They don't worry me because they'll never have the power to get what they want, but i think it shows a lack of character in Sanders for him not to disavow them.

Tonight's Democratic debate was interesting. Bernie did okay. Buttigieg did okay. Biden sputtered. Warren looked silly but managed to put Bloomberg on the defensive. Klobuchar looked the weakest I've seen her. She is usually better. Bloomberg had big problems.

@clousems

"AOC graduated from Boston College (a prestigious school) with a degree in economics." Well then given that, doesn't it make much more sense that it was a simple brain slip than whatever else it is that you're implying? Even if she did do it twice it was for the one video post. She has a busy high stress job, but no, she's not allowed to mix up economists Milton and Maynard or else you'll start weeping.

"Trump also makes me weep daily. I am not a Trump supporter. I am a registered republican, but that doesn't mean I agree with my party on every issue." But the Republican party is the Donald Trump party now. If you voted Republican in 2016 you're a Trump supporter by default, and by literal fact. It doesn't matter whether you agree or not, it just matters whether you voted for them.

The Obama era saw the US economy flourish, (for some anyway), and Trump has done nothing but ride that wave and give tax cuts to the rich. Oh yeah and the tariff war with China was fun, which economist endorses that btw? The only part of the economy that needs to fear Sanders, and they clearly do, is the rich. If he has his way, they will be much less rich. But still rich. Oh, the humanity, won't someone think of the billionaires God given right to hoard all the money and power they want? I'm no economist myself, but I can see how that will benefit the vast majority greatly.

"As a result, I would probably vote for Satan over Bernie for US president." I'll assume you wouldn't seriously vote for the prince of darkness over a guy who got arrested standing up for black rights in the 60s, but it that sounds to me like some cognitive dissonance designed to help you justify voting for Donald Trump to yourself. "Gee I don't want vote for, (and thus support), an orange, lifelong, wealth obsessed, racist, elitist con-man who privately braggs about sexually assaulting women, and falls in love with foreign dictators, and demands constant praise, and says and does fascist things left and right regarding the justice dept, the courts, the FBI, and the media, but that's what I'm gonna do. Because Sanders is going to curb the excessively wealthy and spread the money around more fairly to benefit everyone and give everyone free health care in an attempt to pull us out of the plutocracy we've sunk into. Oh my market that sounds horrible!" Bernie's worse than Satan, sure sure, keep saying that to yourself if that helps you support Donald Trump.

Vote for Bernie. If he wins everything will be free.

Sure just remember, you can vote socialism in , but you have to shoot your way out .

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@king_delicious
I tried to provide my honest opinion about Sanders. I don't agree with his economic policies, they simply don't work in practice-- they disincentivize labor productivity, for example, which results in a lower real wage, which hurts the average household.

If you want to be civil and polite in a discussion about his economic views, I would be happy to participate.

Your response is predicated on the belief that I voted for Trump in 2016. I didn't.

I have no interest in carrying on a conversation in which I am attacked for beliefs I don't hold.
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PS: Obama era was not known for economic prosperity. It was known for the Great Recession.

From a European perspective, this whole 'Sanders = socialist = worse than Satan' thing is just very silly.
The only issue I'd have with him is his age and health (nothing a decent Vice President couldn't fix though).

On the other hand, the current clown-in-chief seems to be totally fine for almost half of the electorate.

Very disturbing.