speaking of people who get whacky when they get old , how's Biden doing? is he going to be able to debate this time around? Waters can still walk around on a stage without minders. looks like next time in the US "democracy" we will once again get a choice between incompetents, Trump or Biden. assuming Biden doesn't get us nuked first with this latest idiotic proxy war.
tell us about the sanctions crashing Russia's economy. tell us about the Ghost of Kiev, or the ghost of the Ukraine counteroffensive. but whatever you do, don't question the propaganda on an increasingly concentrated media oligopoly. don't ask why the US doesn't follow the Constitution and debates these proxy wars in Congress, or why Germany ignores the US blowing up its pipeline. pretend everything is just hunky dory as China gradually becomes more influential than the US in the middle east, arranging peace between Saudi Arabia and Iran, while all the US does is promote more wars and regime changes.
@Rookitiki said in #49:
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> some here should also go easy on the pretzels, too much salt will dry out your brain :D
Doh! Why you did not told me before.?! ;-)
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> some here should also go easy on the pretzels, too much salt will dry out your brain :D
Doh! Why you did not told me before.?! ;-)
im not defending the USA for every action they have taken in history, but im also not intertwining topics that are unrelated.
the USA has no geopolitical interest to lead a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, as i pointed out earlier the motivation is to
- support an independant country that got illegaly invaded
- preserve global stability of markets (if Europe crashes, the rest of the world does)
sanctions: sure, they arent as effective as they should be. they still weigh heavier on russia than the rest of the world.
Greece resells Russian oil:
www.reuters.com/business/energy/greece-emerging-new-hub-russian-ship-to-ship-fuel-oil-exports-data-shows-2022-05-19/
the washing machine debate might be exaggerated, it might be a thing, different sources carefully point towards different directions (in the big picture, its probably not that important if you ask me):
www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2023/01/20/is-russia-really-buying-home-appliances-to-harvest-computer-chips-for-ukraine-bound-weapons-systems/
time.com/6226484/russia-appliance-imports-weapons/
if America really blew up the German gas pipeline, thats a very mild pat on the fingers after Russia stopped exporting anyways. its irrelevant even.
the USA has no geopolitical interest to lead a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, as i pointed out earlier the motivation is to
- support an independant country that got illegaly invaded
- preserve global stability of markets (if Europe crashes, the rest of the world does)
sanctions: sure, they arent as effective as they should be. they still weigh heavier on russia than the rest of the world.
Greece resells Russian oil:
www.reuters.com/business/energy/greece-emerging-new-hub-russian-ship-to-ship-fuel-oil-exports-data-shows-2022-05-19/
the washing machine debate might be exaggerated, it might be a thing, different sources carefully point towards different directions (in the big picture, its probably not that important if you ask me):
www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2023/01/20/is-russia-really-buying-home-appliances-to-harvest-computer-chips-for-ukraine-bound-weapons-systems/
time.com/6226484/russia-appliance-imports-weapons/
if America really blew up the German gas pipeline, thats a very mild pat on the fingers after Russia stopped exporting anyways. its irrelevant even.
notice how my debating opponents have to fall back on emojis, cause they don't have any facts to refute what i say.
LOL it's irrelevant if the US attacks a US ally and vastly increases the cost of gas. pathetic, listen to yourselves. and yet you pretend to justify NATO and the US attacking Russia to "defend Ukraine".
the sanctions are weighing heavily mostly on Europe, not Russia. and the US. that's why more and more countries in Africa, South America, and Asia are gravitating toward the China Russia alliance. China gaining influence in Africa, South America, while regime changes, the tried and true US method of maintaining dominance, are suddenly failing. The US backed party in Turkey lost to Erdogan, the hostilities between Syria and Iran and Iran and Saudi Arabia are suddenly ceasing with Chinese influence, which means China gains more influence. The US strategy of maintaining dominance through military threats and sanctions is failing. wake up and smell the coffee. its not too late, the US just to give up its half baked dreams of being the superpower. Even Fiona Hill is admitting that, longtime influential warmonger and policy adviser.
LOL it's irrelevant if the US attacks a US ally and vastly increases the cost of gas. pathetic, listen to yourselves. and yet you pretend to justify NATO and the US attacking Russia to "defend Ukraine".
the sanctions are weighing heavily mostly on Europe, not Russia. and the US. that's why more and more countries in Africa, South America, and Asia are gravitating toward the China Russia alliance. China gaining influence in Africa, South America, while regime changes, the tried and true US method of maintaining dominance, are suddenly failing. The US backed party in Turkey lost to Erdogan, the hostilities between Syria and Iran and Iran and Saudi Arabia are suddenly ceasing with Chinese influence, which means China gains more influence. The US strategy of maintaining dominance through military threats and sanctions is failing. wake up and smell the coffee. its not too late, the US just to give up its half baked dreams of being the superpower. Even Fiona Hill is admitting that, longtime influential warmonger and policy adviser.
> None of them are
It's a lyric from Pink Floyd's "Have a Cigar":
The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think.
Oh by the way which one's Pink?
It's a lyric from Pink Floyd's "Have a Cigar":
The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think.
Oh by the way which one's Pink?
@pretzelattack1 said in #52:
> or why Germany ignores the US blowing up its pipeline.
So, lets just take this as an example of your thought process. Why do you believe this? What is your source? Why are you 100% certain that it is true? According to who?
> or why Germany ignores the US blowing up its pipeline.
So, lets just take this as an example of your thought process. Why do you believe this? What is your source? Why are you 100% certain that it is true? According to who?
Some of you seem to operate with a misunderstanding that big and powerful countries somehow have a right to forcibly maintain a "sphere of influence" around and outside their borders. They don't. It's colonialist thinking.
Every sovereign nation can choose their friends and alliances freely. (The really tricky cases are when the leadership chooses against wishes of the people. It happens in democracies more rarely than in autocracies, but it's always possible.)
Referring to one ridiculous argument which I see repeatedly raised: if (for example) Canada decided to attempt to join a Russia-led military alliance, would United States try to incorporate some or all of Canadian land and murder Canadian civilians? Sounds improbable, and anyway U.S. would have no legal right to do so.
Let me say, though, that using this very theoretical scenario in order to defend Russia's very real invasion of Ukraine, bombings and rocketings of civilians, is a rather disgusting example of whataboutism. I believe it's unworthy of a thoughtful disputant.
To finish this post, one observation that is more relevant. At this point, only propagandists (on both sides) would claim that either is "winning" or "losing" this war. Neither side has enough military means to decide the outcome on battlefield, Ukraine cannot be expected to cede any land and Russia is unwilling to cease occupying it, so there is very little chance for a truce. We can only say (quite trivially) that humanity as a whole is losing.
Every sovereign nation can choose their friends and alliances freely. (The really tricky cases are when the leadership chooses against wishes of the people. It happens in democracies more rarely than in autocracies, but it's always possible.)
Referring to one ridiculous argument which I see repeatedly raised: if (for example) Canada decided to attempt to join a Russia-led military alliance, would United States try to incorporate some or all of Canadian land and murder Canadian civilians? Sounds improbable, and anyway U.S. would have no legal right to do so.
Let me say, though, that using this very theoretical scenario in order to defend Russia's very real invasion of Ukraine, bombings and rocketings of civilians, is a rather disgusting example of whataboutism. I believe it's unworthy of a thoughtful disputant.
To finish this post, one observation that is more relevant. At this point, only propagandists (on both sides) would claim that either is "winning" or "losing" this war. Neither side has enough military means to decide the outcome on battlefield, Ukraine cannot be expected to cede any land and Russia is unwilling to cease occupying it, so there is very little chance for a truce. We can only say (quite trivially) that humanity as a whole is losing.
@pretzelattack1 said in #55:
> notice how my debating opponents have to fall back on emojis, cause they don't have any facts to refute what i say.
(sic)
Why are you assuming anyone not drinking your f.. Koolaid is an idiot??? You've reached a point where it is a waste of time debating with you.
> “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
[Mark Twain]
lmao
> notice how my debating opponents have to fall back on emojis, cause they don't have any facts to refute what i say.
(sic)
Why are you assuming anyone not drinking your f.. Koolaid is an idiot??? You've reached a point where it is a waste of time debating with you.
> “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
[Mark Twain]
lmao
@pretzelattack1 said in #52:
> , or why Germany ignores the US blowing up its pipeline. s.
So about the pipeline.
Nobody in Germany thinks USA blew the pipeline up.
What the conspiracy theorists doesn't know but that the Germans obviously DO now is this: Russia had shut off the pipelines months before it blew up. NS2 actually NEVER got used.
So by the time the pipeline had blown up, Germany wasn't getting anyny gas through the pipelines- and had already decided to never-ever rely on Russian gas.
Germany cares deeply about reliable supplies on time and so on.
Simply because Russia for whatever reason cancels contracts and doesn't deliver the gas needed, this is enough for Germany to not want to do any sort of important business with them for the nest 50 years. It's how the think. They don't want to touch you with a fire poker if you can't be relied on to keep contracts.
So you're completely besides reality here. When it blew up, Germany couldn't care less about the pipelines. They think, as everybody else, that Russia blew up their own pipeline as they knew it was useless anyway.
> , or why Germany ignores the US blowing up its pipeline. s.
So about the pipeline.
Nobody in Germany thinks USA blew the pipeline up.
What the conspiracy theorists doesn't know but that the Germans obviously DO now is this: Russia had shut off the pipelines months before it blew up. NS2 actually NEVER got used.
So by the time the pipeline had blown up, Germany wasn't getting anyny gas through the pipelines- and had already decided to never-ever rely on Russian gas.
Germany cares deeply about reliable supplies on time and so on.
Simply because Russia for whatever reason cancels contracts and doesn't deliver the gas needed, this is enough for Germany to not want to do any sort of important business with them for the nest 50 years. It's how the think. They don't want to touch you with a fire poker if you can't be relied on to keep contracts.
So you're completely besides reality here. When it blew up, Germany couldn't care less about the pipelines. They think, as everybody else, that Russia blew up their own pipeline as they knew it was useless anyway.
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