Should all engines be allowed?

Stockfish should not be allowed.Only real chess engines developers should be allowed or else what's the point of battling between a natural human player and an ai player,it would be completley one sided match.I suggest that there should be a marking to each bot that it is a stockfish engine user or a self made engine user by looking their last few games or else human shouldn't be allowed to play such tournaments, it will be completely one sided.I mean if you think practically, a 2200 rated bot is enough powerful to beat 2600 players cause even though the site is same but the skill depending on ratings of human and bots are completely different.
I hope you understand that.
Regards

@Realboy9000 said in #11:
>Stockfish should not be allowed.Only real chess engines developers should be allowed or else what's the point of battling between a natural human player and an ai player,it would be completley one sided match.I suggest that there should be a marking to each bot that it is a stockfish engine user or a self made engine user by looking their last few games or else human shouldn't be allowed to play such tournaments, it will be completely one sided.I mean if you think practically, a 2200 rated bot is enough powerful to beat 2600 players cause even though the site is >same but the skill depending on ratings of human and bots are completely different.

Like @thibault said, this isn't enforceable and defeats the purpose of bot accounts. Most people that run bot accounts see it as an extra feature that's fun to experiment with and low stakes. People who don't like Stockfish bots simply cannot impose their opinions and restrictions on everyone else, as Lichess is a site of inclusivity and experimentation. If people don't want to pit their own bots against Stockfish derivatives, there are teams that have dedicated tournaments for different non stockfish bots, which is completely fine.

Absolutely Stockfish BOT should NOT be allowed, as well as any derivate that has 2800+ strength.
It was really unpleasant playing a game without any chance. BOTS yes, but in human boundaries.
We all want to play fair league, not punishment league.
1 Stockfish BOT per team, does not make a difference, still you can be paired with Stockfish BOT.

Also I have just manually checked all 13 BOTS, that are TOP13 in a:
BOTS and Humans League Qualifier Team Battle
lichess.org/tournament/kuchY34k

Those BOTS have played at least 100 games against Humans and there was no single draw or win for a Human.

Only 2 games are lost by BOTS against Humans, but under strange circumstances !


BOT resigned on move 9 in winning position.


BOT lost by flagging, when BOT berserked and make moves after puzzling 25 sec, 6 sec, 10 sec, 7 sec, 8 sec, 15 sec, 6 sec and 4 sec and flagged at move 29 in winning position.

I believe all those 13 BOTS are Stockfish BOT.

@MarklarMarklar said in #14:
> I believe all those 13 BOTS are Stockfish BOT.

I cannot assure you on the integrity of other teams. But our team "Engine Testers" is completely made up of original engines, and we have not taken a single line of code from Stockfish.

@MarklarMarklar said in #13:
> Absolutely Stockfish BOT should NOT be allowed, as well as any derivate that has 2800+ strength.
> It was really unpleasant playing a game without any chance. BOTS yes, but in human boundaries.
> We all want to play fair league, not punishment league.
> 1 Stockfish BOT per team, does not make a difference, still you can be paired with Stockfish BOT.
There's probably over 50 unique engines over 2800+ strength. I don't see how Stockfish is somehow unique in that sense. Lower strength bots are usually designed to be lower strength.

@KingCountyMetro said in #15:
> I cannot assure you on the integrity of other teams. But our team "Engine Testers" is completely made up of original engines, and we have not taken a single line of code from Stockfish.

Whatever... Original or Stockfish

League with BOTs that can NOT be beaten by any Human participating in it, has no future.
Since 1996/97 (Deep Blue vs Kasparov), it is decided that Humans are inferior against machines.
If we want this League to stay alive, Humans must have a real chance against BOTs.
Nobody wants to play a league that is no fun and losing (or winning) all games against BOTs is no FUN.
What is a solution, I do not know at this moment.

Limitation of BOTs power ?
Handicap games against BOTs depending on Human player strength ?
...

@MarklarMarklar said in #17:
> If we want this League to stay alive, Humans must have a real chance against BOTs. Nobody wants to play a league that is no fun and losing (or winning) all games against BOTs is no FUN. What is a solution, I do not know at this moment.

In that case, I think it would be a good idea to have separate categories; tournaments where only bots can join, and tournaments where only humans can join.

For now there is only a general maximum rating of 2200 available, to allow only bots also isn’t available (and also wasn’t really the idea of the league), so the options are limited for now.

Ideally we would need to find and/or have some more bots of human strength as well to compete with, while the better engines might mainly compete with each other.

@jeffforever said in #19:
> For now there is only a general maximum rating of 2200 available, to allow only bots also isn’t available (and also wasn’t really the idea of the league), so the options are limited for now.
>
> Ideally we would need to find and/or have some more bots of human strength as well to compete with, while the better engines might mainly compete with each other.
How's about this?
Make bots above 2200 only pair with bots, and make bots below 2200 only pair with humans. (The rating limit can also be changed, like <2000–>2000)
Like this both humans and bots can play or else human should be abandoned from playing such tournaments in future as it will be a very difficult tournament for humans in future days.
I mean very luck based.
Regards