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Beat the Spam: Nh3

@lishadowapps #30
> ...1. Nh3 h6 2. d4 Na6 3. Bg5 f6 4. Nc3 Nb4 5. Nb5 e5 6. Nxc7 Nxc2 7. a3 Rc8 8. Rc1 hxg5 9. Rc7 Rxc7 10. e4 Bc5 11. dxc5 a6 12. Bc4 d5 13. Kd2 Ne7 14. Rc1...
Why not white does play 14. Bb5+ here and then Rc1? All lines after this are look hopeless to me.

@Wolfram_EP #31
> 1. Nh3 h6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 b5 4. Ne4 Bg4 5. f3 Bxf3 6. g3 e6 7. Bg2 f5 8. e4
Here again, I think that not should be overlooked black's many choices. 8... Ba3, 8... f4, 8... Bb4+, 8... Be7, and 8... g6 all are possible maybe. I not do think it is good for black to have such many choices that are all very difficult for white in practice. But if I have only one option of these I think that I will pick a line similar to 8... f4 9. Rf1 Ba3 10. bxa3 g6 not does look such bad. However, because of how many choices the white and black players have, not I do think it is really useful to try to have such much theory of for these lines. Maybe, yes, white is much better in theory, but I not do think that such it is a good line in actual games for humans because there are so many choices of for black to try. Certainly it is not a meaningful line to spend time of theory on compared with others.

What do you think is a good way to play for white on 2... d5 then? 3. Na3 b5 4. e4 e6 is sure a way to reduce to standard setup, but black has many choices there as well.

1. Nh3 h6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 b5 4. e4 e6 5. a4 I think should lead to options where black is loses material in almost all lines in ways that white can understand with some prep. 5... a6 6. exd5 Bb7 7. Bg5 hxg5 8. Ng5 f5 9. Nd5 Bxd5 10. Qe2 has always looked much more like a reliable choice of for white to me. The ideas of white I find much clearer and with less counterplay for black than in the 4. Ne4 lines.

#43

Black is so restrained, absolutely no counter play, the pawn on b5 is terrible. This is why I'm desparate to make something like Na6 work, but as I looked at it in this thread it for the most part is objectively lost. I have more hope now against the atomic attack with strong players than against 1. Nh3. Playing Ne4 is not necessary, the standrad setup with e4 is bad enough.

just tell thibault that atomic has been solved so we can finally have atomic 960 built-in

@GrandLapin Then he will teach you how he does not implement all the features people ask because it clutters the code and takes infinity amount of time etc.

Better would be to give black option to remove one pawn (black or white) from the board at start of the game. This would increase depth of game since there are several options for pawn to remove that are would be as good as or better than standard atomic for black, and since is an option, not it does remove any theory that already is has been established, just adds to it. White still has advantage I think in all options, but in some it is much less of advantage. Because white still has advantage, it would make theory be important part of game still for both sides, and you still would feel like playing for win with white, and likely it would still have plenty of interesting lines to look for defenses in for black. It would also make spam of one line near impossible since black could change position to not allow that one line. There is no downside, only improvements.

Or people could quit complaining about lines that not are 1. Nf3 f6 2. Nc3 and realize that all else are should be playable at all human levels.

> It would also make spam of one line near impossible since black could change position to not allow that one line. There is no downside, only improvements.
Removing some of the pawns will be a forced loss, and for everything else there will be a separate spam variation. Haha.

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