guys which is better anarcho-capitalism or anarcho-communism? I think communism better
Capitalism is always better than Communism (Госуда́рственный гимн Росси́йской Федера́ции stops*)
Anarcho-Communism, you're welcome!
thanks caicara! Fuck you @Quantial !!!
well lets debate then?
What are your points in favor in Anarcho-Communism?
I think the Hitler purge from the right is beautifully offset with the Stalin purge from the left. Anything else is just modernist 'multiculturalism'.
@angrymonkey said (#7):
> I think the Hitler purge from the right is beautifully offset with the Stalin purge from the left.
What a nonsense! The Nazis killed about everyone - Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Slavs, Leftists, ... whereas Stalin killed mostly communists. The people pretending to be "oh, so shocked about Stalins victims" are usually the same who would have killed Stalins victims themselves would they have had the chance.
@goodnightofficial (#1): anarchism is the abolishment of governmental power. However, whoever has (any form of) power is reluctant to give it up without being forced to. History shows that time and again. Since economic power is power nonetheless (who's opinion, do you think, has a bigger chance of being heard: yours or that of Rupert Murdoch?) anarchy simply cannot work within the context of a capitalist system because such a system relies on a disparity of economic means.
So, the question is not: what is better, but: what is possible? Anarchy with a capitalist economy simply won't work because a capitalist economy will involuntarily lead to accumulation of capital (see: Marx, Karl: The Capital, Vol. 1) and hence to accumulation of primarily economic power which at some point will translate into political power. "Anarcho-Capitalism" at this point will simply be the unregulated and unrestrained reign of the capitalist class - in other words, exactly the neoliberalist pipe-dream. Wasn't "anarchy" the attempt to abolish exactly that in first place?
krasnaya
> I think the Hitler purge from the right is beautifully offset with the Stalin purge from the left.
What a nonsense! The Nazis killed about everyone - Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Slavs, Leftists, ... whereas Stalin killed mostly communists. The people pretending to be "oh, so shocked about Stalins victims" are usually the same who would have killed Stalins victims themselves would they have had the chance.
@goodnightofficial (#1): anarchism is the abolishment of governmental power. However, whoever has (any form of) power is reluctant to give it up without being forced to. History shows that time and again. Since economic power is power nonetheless (who's opinion, do you think, has a bigger chance of being heard: yours or that of Rupert Murdoch?) anarchy simply cannot work within the context of a capitalist system because such a system relies on a disparity of economic means.
So, the question is not: what is better, but: what is possible? Anarchy with a capitalist economy simply won't work because a capitalist economy will involuntarily lead to accumulation of capital (see: Marx, Karl: The Capital, Vol. 1) and hence to accumulation of primarily economic power which at some point will translate into political power. "Anarcho-Capitalism" at this point will simply be the unregulated and unrestrained reign of the capitalist class - in other words, exactly the neoliberalist pipe-dream. Wasn't "anarchy" the attempt to abolish exactly that in first place?
krasnaya
@krasnaya Brilliantly spoken!
Here is a corollary: it *might* be argued that there could be (legal or pseudo-legal) checks in place to prevent exactly this accumulation of capital but who would enforce these checks when the organisatorial framework of the state/goernment is abolished?
Personally, i think that anarchism is the attempt to do the second step ahead of the first: we first will need to overturn society so that it is not divided into classes any more, only then it is possible to work on "withering away the state", as Lenin put it.
krasnaya
Personally, i think that anarchism is the attempt to do the second step ahead of the first: we first will need to overturn society so that it is not divided into classes any more, only then it is possible to work on "withering away the state", as Lenin put it.
krasnaya
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