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GM Ben Finegold and his hate on Magnus Carlsen

@AlphaZeroDark30 lol, I think you were living in cave and missed what's going on in real world. There will not be a day where human will be better at chess than computer, unless chess will be solved by COMPUTERS and human will memorize the way to always draw computer, so then he can say he is "equal" strength with engine. The only way to be the day where no computer can defeat human, is the day where all computers will get burned :D As Einstein said, after World War 3, next wars will be fought by stones and sticks, so may be that will be the moment you are talking about :)
"@AlphaZeroDark30 lol, I think you were living in cave and missed what's going on in real world. There will not be a day where human will be better at chess than computer, unless chess will be solved by COMPUTERS and human will memorize the way to always draw computer, so then he can say he is "equal" strength with engine. The only way to be the day where no computer can defeat human, is the day where all computers will get burned :D As Einstein said, after World War 3, next wars will be fought by stones and sticks, so may be that will be the moment you are talking about :)"

What's with the need for personal insults? Do you talk like that to people's faces? Do you think you're impressing people with that mouth?

I could reply to your post with a counter-argument but I don't debate the rude. That you'd have to insult someone says your argument can't be very strong. My post speaks for itself just fine anyway.

@AlphaZeroDark30 I don't think you have any counter-argument, actually I was thinking you are trolling us with that "human gets better than computer", but now I know you didn't, and that's scary actually. Also you used the escape from discussion door, which is called "Make yourself victim, insult edition". If you would have written that I liv ein a cave etc. I would never get it as insult lol
So because Ben Finegold doesn't consider Magnus Carlsen the greatest chess player in the history of chess, he hates him?
It's more likely that you hate Ben because of his criticism of your hero. I watched his videos where he talks about that subject and his arguments are spot on. His knowledge of chess history and culture is superior to any of the discussants in this thread and his analysis of the differences between modern masters and the old ones is quite insightful.
I am sorry to say this, but today's grand-masters (except Magnus Carlsen) are like a schoolchildren compared to old grand-masters .
"So because Ben Finegold doesn't consider Magnus Carlsen the greatest chess player in the history of chess, he hates him?
It's more likely that you hate Ben because of his criticism of your hero. I watched his videos where he talks about that subject and his arguments are spot on. His knowledge of chess history and culture is superior to any of the discussants in this thread and his analysis of the differences between modern masters and the old ones is quite insightful.
I am sorry to say this, but today's grand-masters (except Magnus Carlsen) are like a schoolchildren compared to old grand-masters ."

It's a different era, but Kasparov was recent enough that Magnus should have to defeat him to become the LINEAL champion (where the title is taken from the previous champion). Mike Tyson did this when he beat Larry Holmes and then Michael Spinks to unify the title. It is not clear Carlsen could dominate Kasparov in a match even now.

Personally I think we should abolish the world title until someone cracks 3000 FIDE but that's just me.

You mean the old GMs who were to weak to play endgames and adjourned the games regularly, let alone their teams analyze them?

I see.
"You mean the old GMs who were to weak to play endgames and adjourned the games regularly, let alone their teams analyze them?"

That was how it was done back in the dinosaur era, when they didn't have computers operating as chess spellcheckers.

Fischer also almost never used a second.

@Sarg0n -

The Russians?

I seem to remember Fischer showing up by himself at one point. He didn't even have a second.
Finegold is right in that Carlsen is not leaps and bounds ahead of the other top players as Morphy or Fischer were. However, Carlsen is still a beast, and strongest player ever, although possibly not most talented. I wonder how Morphy would do if he were given air conditioning, a computer and a fridge.
Really when you do this "who is the best", the only real way to compare these guys is how well they dominated their competition. As far as that goes Morphy is the best, no one stood a chance, Alekhine is probably the best 20th century dominate player, fischer of course too but alekhine played more and defended his title multiple times, while Fischer just quit after getting the title. Carlsen just hasn't dominated, by this I mean having a superior win rate, the top players like Alekhine or Fischer had. Now rapid might be different but I'm just talking about regular time controls.

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