What the most controversial opinion you have?

@Moving_Pieces said in #23:
> The scum and compromised are destined to succeed in the world. The mentally ill, evil, ugly, LGBTQ's and their ilk are the ones who get the breaks and who eventually run the planet. If you're smart, good-looking, straight, normal and basically decent don't aspire to be Shakespeare or Einstein - the most you can ask for is a safe and comfortable life. You're gonna need to be tough, very patient and oh you're really gonna need God a lot.
That moving pieces sucks up sensationalist propaganda and thinks its reality

@hisokaxhunter said in #27:
> I'm not atheist, I'm not support darwin, I believe in God as a creator
The subject of evolution is perceived in two ways:

a) Some(Not everybody) evolutionists accept evolution as a theory of atheism.(Atheists don't get me wrong i respect you)According to them, everything happened by chance. For example, all living things first came into existence from water by chance, and then -for example- monkeys came from this water by chance. And humankind also evolved from this ape by chance.

b) Nothing happened by chance. According to those in this group, everything happened with God's creation. In this principle of creation, it does not matter whether each species has an origin or not. Whether each species has a special Adam and an Eve, or all have a single common ancestor, this does not harm the faith of religion. Because after accepting that the only creator is God, the differences in the interpretations about the way of creation do not harm.According to my belief,first group is no more in faith.Second group is still in faith,but they may have sinned because they may cause some misunderstandings.
Me? I am definitely not in first group.I think it will take time to decide if i am believing in evolution theory,or not.
You don't need to have the same belief with me.I'll respect yours,if you respect mine.
P.S: Hey mods,i didn't triggered anybody.I respect everybody.I didn't say "I hate x belief".So i think this is not a chatban.

@AOOP09 said in #32:
> a) Some(Not everybody) evolutionists accept evolution as a theory of atheism.

It might be possible that some evolutionists hold that belief. But evolution is a theory belonging to biology, not the realm of religion (or non-religion for that matter). Atheism is just about one question: Do I believe in a god? It doesn't have to do with evolution.

The only reason why evolution is drawn into this topic is because some religious people (mostly creationists and Intelligent Design proponents) use life on Earth as an argument for their god: "Oh, look how perfectly adapted life is to its environment. That could only be accomplished by an intelligent creator!"

No, it wasn't. It was done by evolution. And if someone belongs to that religious lot and doesn't believe this: Learn some fucking biology. There's tons of evidence for evolution and from all kinds of fields - genetics, fossils, experiments (google the Lenski experiment), observations in nature. But you have to look it up for yourself. A good starting point is Talk Origins: http://www.talkorigins.org/. Or books like "Why Evolution is true" by Jerry Coyne. Listening to your pastor won't cut it!

> According to them, everything happened by chance.

That's not what evolution is saying. In short evolution is defined as natural selection by random mutation. This means genetic mutations happen randomly (by chance) but if they can spread is determined by the question if the lifeform that carries the mutation can successfully reproduce and in the best case be better adapted to its environment through this mutation.
Addendum edit: Most mutations are BTW detrimental to the lifeform and don't make it.

> For example, all living things first came into existence from water by chance

No, not "all living things". The first lifeforms on Earth developed in the water. There's some evidence that this happened at hot vents in the ocean, basically what we today know as black smokers. But how much chance was involved and how long that took is still an open question. Earth formed around 4.5 billion years ago. The first DNA based life that we with some certainty know of lived around 1 - 1.3 billion years later. That's a long time span in which a lot of things could happen.

> and then -for example- monkeys came from this water by chance.

The first lifeforms that came out of water and weren't insects were amphibian animals (Tiktaalik, if you want to know the name). This happened 380 million years ago. The first monkeys appeared several hundred million years later, probably 50 - 60 million years before our time and their direct ancestors had nothing to do with water-living animals. And again as with all evolutionary processes: The "chance" part are the random mutations, but then natural selection takes over.

> And humankind also evolved from this ape by chance.

Natural selection by random mutations. Again.

@Moving_Pieces said in #23:
> The scum and compromised are destined to succeed in the world. The mentally ill, evil, ugly, LGBTQ's and their ilk are the ones who get the breaks and who eventually run the planet. If you're smart, good-looking, straight, normal and basically decent don't aspire to be Shakespeare or Einstein - the most you can ask for is a safe and comfortable life. You're gonna need to be tough, very patient and oh you're really gonna need God a lot.

Logical, even though I disagree. (Ha!) But let me quote somebody:

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for safety, deserve neither."

So the most you can ask for isn't a safe, and even less it's a comfortable life. It's FREEDOM. In the words of Yeonmi Park, freedom is everything.

@Katzenschinken said in #33:
> It might be possible that some evolutionists hold that belief. But evolution is a theory belonging to biology, not the realm of religion (or non-religion for that matter). Atheism is just about one question: Do I believe in a god? It doesn't have to do with evolution.
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> The only reason why evolution is drawn into this topic is because some religious people (mostly creationists and Intelligent Design proponents) use life on Earth as an argument for their god: "Oh, look how perfectly adapted life is to its environment. That could only be accomplished by an intelligent creator!"
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> No, it wasn't. It was done by evolution. And if someone belongs to that religious lot and doesn't believe this: Learn some fucking biology. There's tons of evidence for evolution and from all kinds of fields - genetics, fossils, experiments (google the Lenski experiment), observations in nature. But you have to look it up for yourself. A good starting point is Talk Origins: http://www.talkorigins.org/. Or books like "Why Evolution is true" by Jerry Coyne. Listening to your pastor won't cut it!
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> Addendum edit: Most mutations are BTW detrimental to the lifeform and don't make it.
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> No, not "all living things". The first lifeforms on Earth developed in the water. There's some evidence that this happened at hot vents in the ocean, basically what we today know as black smokers. But how much chance was involved and how long that took is still an open question. Earth formed around 4.5 billion years ago. The first DNA based life that we with some certainty know of lived around 1 - 1.3 billion years later. That's a long time span in which a lot of things could happen.
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Do you know what is "some"?
Do you know what is "for example"?
Learning some FRICKING biology doesnt help.Our biology teacher sure knows more than you,and you know what,she is a religious person.
You say random mutations?Yea."Random"

@EnBeeTea said in #34:
> Logical, even though I disagree. (Ha!) But let me quote somebody:
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> "Those who would sacrifice freedom for safety, deserve neither."
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> So the most you can ask for isn't a safe, and even less it's a comfortable life. It's FREEDOM. In the words of Yeonmi Park, freedom is everything.

Comfort = Freedom. The two are inseparable. :-)

@AOOP09 said in #35:
> Learning some FRICKING biology doesnt help.
So should we stop researching?
> Our biology teacher sure knows more than you,and you know what,she is a religious person.
And?
> You say random mutations?Yea."Random"
We are learning more, just not there yet, because it's very complex.

Everybody should be able to freely use the noise "God" as a tool in conversation. It CANNOT be made to vanish, merely because you've heard it being misused so much.

If you imagine today's world to look like Centre Pompidou in Paris, and 'Heaven', 'A world at peace', 'Rivendel', 'Eldorado' etc. as the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, then GOD becomes 'THAT which gets us there'. Nothing wrong with that.

@CreativeThinking said in #37:
> So should we stop researching?
> No,i don't mean that.I think Katzen meant if you know a little biology or any positive science,you have no reason for being a religious.
> And?
> Look to the first answer.
> We are learning more, just not there yet, because it's very complex.
I know.But it is not enough for me to believe random things.
Thanks for talking to me normally and calm,unlike the other one.Evolution is still a theory,it has definitely true parts,and also wrong parts.

@AOOP09 said in #35:
> Do you know what is "some"?

When you don't quote the part you are referring to but my whole answer as a whole single block - how am I supposed to know what you mean?

> Do you know what is "for example"?

Well, this phrase was used only two times by you so at least I have a slight idea what you could mean. But you know what? Both times you were wrong. Neither did "all living things" come out of the water nor did monkeys.

> Learning some FRICKING biology doesnt help.Our biology teacher sure knows more than you,and you know what,she is a religious person.

Firstly: I did not say all religious people are denying evolution. I said evolution deniers are mostly creationists and ID proponents. You could have known that if you read properly.
Secondly: Does your biology teacher deny evolution? No? Then she is not included into what I called "religious lot" and she for sure knows about the evidence for evolution.
If on the other hand she denies evolution then she is simply at the wrong place and she does not belong in a classroom. Evolution is a fact.

> You say random mutations?Yea."Random"

That's exactly the reason why I address evolution deniers with "learn some fucking biology". Because if you don't have a single clue about what you are criticizing then it makes you look a bit ridiculous.-