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Flat Earth

@PathSeeker1

It's not as flat as you (and the movie you've posted) seem to think.
It has dimples in it. Dimples.
Please don't make me say it again.

D'IMPLEZ MONSIOOR SILVOOPLAY!!!
(although i dont assume that your french is any good..)
@robotrock

I wish to review the evidence of antiquity. Show me the theories and mathematics. I will judge it for myself. But you see, no-one can oblige because everyone just takes a side. Stop taking a side, let's actually look at the truth for once. Show me the truth.

"Show me the truth" sounds a bit too much platonician to me.

Before this topic turns once again into science vs doxa, certitudes vs absurd, let's do it.

experiment 1 :

Watch a ship on a calm go away. She will disappear at some distance, not be infinitely reduced to a point. Hence be hidden by the Earth rotundity . By the way, you wanted some basic geometry : that distance elevated to the square divided by the ship eighth gives an estimation of the earth diameter.

experiment 2 (Eratosthenes) :

Same day, same hour (or one year apart), plant two identical sticks in the ground, at two places of same latitude. Let's say 500 miles apart north south. Mesure their shadows. Were Earth to be flat, they'd be the same.
Geometry? Consider the triangles formed by the stick, the shadow and the vertice. The difference of their corresponding angles is to 360° what 500 miles is to the earth perimeter.

experiment 3 (Magellan) :

Make a round trip around the Earth. Westward, you will arrive a day earlier. Eastward, a day after.
Magellan's diary had a one day gap, but one should not trust a handwritten notebook (written before Vatican 2). By the way, Magellan died 2 years into the 3 years the first circumnavigation.

experiment 4 : time zones

How come it's day here while it's night twelve time zones away?
Go above the arctic circle, you have a 6 months day while antartic has a 6 months night. The latitude gives you the inclination of the earth on the ecliptic plan.

experiment 5 (Vivaldi) : the four seasons
How else do you explain that equatorian zones have one season? Tropical : 2 seasons?
Different inclination of the sun beams are not compatible with a flat earth. Or you have to reconsider the whole laws of optics. (Appliable to experience 1 and 2).
Or one could counter argue that the sun revolves over and under in non plane trajectory. He should then rewrite dynamics laws and/or come up with a earth mass distribution explaining that phenomenon.

experiment 6 : Coriolis force

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnB4qMT5R_Y

experiment 7 : Polaris vs Cross of the South
Stargazing is not the same at two places of different latitudes, let alone on different hemispheres.

experiment 8 : seismology
When an earthquake happens it's felt , of course, at its epicenter and also at its antipode, waves being reflected on the lithosphere and meeting all the way down.
Were earth to be flat, antipodes would a random place.

Considering the influence of Plato on western philosophy and theology and its love for the perfect shape that is the sphere , it's funny to see that it was a known fact since antiquity, not much discussed even during the middle ages, is now attacked in the name of a book and a doctrine that owe a lot to Plato.

I'll finish with a few quotes :

E pur si muove!
Galilei Galileo
I believe only what i see.
Saint Thomas
And this is why we can affirm that earth is banana-shaped.
Sir Bedevere in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"

When you argue with a blind-minded-theological/atheist-antiscience-conspirationist, try to be nice, patient and loving, it's them who deserve it the most. Don't throw peanuts, they'll be offended by the monkey comparison ; ape-like insults only apply to blacks, not to white homo-sapiens-sapiens primates.

When you argue with a blind-minded-theological/atheist-antiscience-conspirationist, vote him out the white house.

"It's OK to hate your next door neighbour, but don't forget to say grace"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPIcwjFB1PY
eeeerr i should not have to point that out to you but atheists are actually pro-science by default and are most of the time strong minded people who doesn't correspond to the ''blind'' description.

so ''a blind-minded-theological/atheist-antiscience-conspirationist'' doesn't make any sense because that being don't exist (probably, you never know how dumb humans can be)
I don't know catharaxie, although I appreciate your industrious flounderings.
How are you going to reconcile your experimental results with the fact that the earth is flat? You are bound to run into insurmountable issues there.
@PathSeeker1 Should have said a "blind-minded-antiscience-conspirationist whether theological or atheist". But, in my experience, the first are the most common, granted.

Funny that "strong minded" sounds like a compliment for the atheists and "hard headed" an insult to the believers. Whereas agnostics are what ? "mellow skulled"?


How come humans are so touchy when there is a certain idea of "Truth" at stake?

Let's sing altogether :
"This land is your land, this land is my land...."
"This truth is your truth, this truth is my truth..."

"Orthodoxy is valuable only when shared."
Lenine or W. Bush?

@DiversionTictac
Ok i give up. Earth is flat. Who wants pancakes before they are all burnt?
Thank you cathy, lets start with number one. The ship disapears, not due to the "rotundity of the earth". Take out binoculars or a telescope, the ship is in full view. This is well documented. Who are you calling "dumb". I will now review your next claim.
Number 2, I dont have a year to plant sticks in the ground and look at the shadows. Show me a video.
#4 the sun rotates around the earth, is the official reason. Where and when and why do not contradict or support either a globe or a flat earth model.
#5 I think now your just writing bullshit. I happen to know Vivaldi is a musical composer who wrote the piece four seasons. Get your ego out of the post, your not mocking me, your just making a fool of yourself.
Nice try tho Cathy.
Good effort.

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