Is there a site somewhere that compares the level of game based on the number of points on biltz lichess? just like the wikipedia site which compares on the fide level
wikipédia:
lichess blitz ?
wikipédia:
lichess blitz ?
this could close the debates on elo lichess and elo fide, casually
By definition.. if there is not a wiki entry, you can add one.
oui mais, je ne sais pas pour lichess blitz, it's like giving your opinion without study
@LudoBlitz said in #1:
> Is there a site somewhere that compares the level of game based on the number of points on biltz lichess? just like the wikipedia site which compares on the fide level
>
> wikipédia:
>
> lichess blitz ?
Here it is:
www.reddit.com/r/HikaruNakamura/comments/mefjky/very_true/
> Is there a site somewhere that compares the level of game based on the number of points on biltz lichess? just like the wikipedia site which compares on the fide level
>
> wikipédia:
>
> lichess blitz ?
Here it is:
www.reddit.com/r/HikaruNakamura/comments/mefjky/very_true/
2100 blitz on lichess=very good club player (blitz)? or only good club player?
Here are some things that I found out (or to put it moer precisely, I just researched):
The first anwer I found:
>Around 2000 Lichess the difference is around 300, the higher you go, the less difference in ratings, the lower you go, the more difference in ratings, until you reach 1500 Lichess which will be around 1000 FIDE, at which point, lower ratings have the same difference as 1500 Lichess difference
Here's the Rating converter: ethanlebowitz.github.io/RatingConverter/index.html (I found it here: lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/lichess-to-fide-rating-converter-2)
Some comments on Chessable: www.chessable.com/discussion/thread/522446/fide-lichess-rating-comparison/532121/
Lichess' own statement regarding rating differences (in the FAQ): lichess.org/faq#ratings
Some comments on stackexchange: chess.stackexchange.com/questions/8327/how-do-fide-rated-players-perform-on-lichess
Some comments on Quora: www.quora.com/How-good-is-a-rating-of-2-000-on-Lichess-in-terms-of-official-chess-rating-systems
And something on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_rating_system
And here's my own Opinion: Lichess uses Glicko-2 rating while FIDE uses the Elo rating system and thus both systems are different and comparing them would be like comparing an apple with an orange (doable, but not very precise!).
I've seen GMs playing here on Lichess, that struggled to get to 2700+ (they were streaming, so this needs to eb taken into consideration) while others (club level) play like over 400 points over their usual rating.
I myself also think that rating (or the imaginary points that compare you to others) never should be the main goal of playing chess (nor should the main goal be getting a title, trophies, medals, money and similar things) - in my Opinion the main goal should be having fun while improving and learning. The result of the game does not really matter - it's the fun you have playing and learning chess (of course, winning is better than drawing and drawing is better than losing, but that's not the point).
So, I hope that this was useful in a way or another.
The first anwer I found:
>Around 2000 Lichess the difference is around 300, the higher you go, the less difference in ratings, the lower you go, the more difference in ratings, until you reach 1500 Lichess which will be around 1000 FIDE, at which point, lower ratings have the same difference as 1500 Lichess difference
Here's the Rating converter: ethanlebowitz.github.io/RatingConverter/index.html (I found it here: lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/lichess-to-fide-rating-converter-2)
Some comments on Chessable: www.chessable.com/discussion/thread/522446/fide-lichess-rating-comparison/532121/
Lichess' own statement regarding rating differences (in the FAQ): lichess.org/faq#ratings
Some comments on stackexchange: chess.stackexchange.com/questions/8327/how-do-fide-rated-players-perform-on-lichess
Some comments on Quora: www.quora.com/How-good-is-a-rating-of-2-000-on-Lichess-in-terms-of-official-chess-rating-systems
And something on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_rating_system
And here's my own Opinion: Lichess uses Glicko-2 rating while FIDE uses the Elo rating system and thus both systems are different and comparing them would be like comparing an apple with an orange (doable, but not very precise!).
I've seen GMs playing here on Lichess, that struggled to get to 2700+ (they were streaming, so this needs to eb taken into consideration) while others (club level) play like over 400 points over their usual rating.
I myself also think that rating (or the imaginary points that compare you to others) never should be the main goal of playing chess (nor should the main goal be getting a title, trophies, medals, money and similar things) - in my Opinion the main goal should be having fun while improving and learning. The result of the game does not really matter - it's the fun you have playing and learning chess (of course, winning is better than drawing and drawing is better than losing, but that's not the point).
So, I hope that this was useful in a way or another.
I think judging your level base on your blitz is highly inaccurate. Especially if you are trying to compare your online blitz to your OTB regular. I'll give you an example.
There has been a lot of times where I have witnessed people play friendly blitz. On pretty much every level except maybe 2300+. You have people who will quite often show really poor judgement in blitz. Heck even losing to much lower competition because they are younger and faster. On the other hand, in the same tournament watching those people most of them performed much higher in the OTB regular play setting. Several of them played blitz so poorly that they lost to most of the people in the tournament and then go on to win clear first in their sections. As much as people believe it can translate it can't.
Now.. IN general if you "AVERAGE" a certain rating it's a good chance that you can go by the 50/100 rule. Or the 100/200 rule depending on which one you want to apply. What this means is, if you want to know what level you are you can apply one of those two rules and be relatively accurate across multiple pools. I would suggest that you apply the 100/200 rule to transfer between pools. The reason is: The 50/100 rule is usually used within a pool to determine if players are relatively equal. Whereas most of the time the 100/200 rule is used to determine equality between pools.
What is the rules I mention exactly you ask? Basically you take a rating. You ADD the rule up or down to it. So let's take my rapid rating and apply it to my chess.com rapid. If I apply the 100/200 rule I am 2154 right now. So I should be 2254-1954 chess.com. If you look at my chess.com rating right now:
www.chess.com/stats/live/rapid/encephalocele
You can see that I am 2084. So I fall within the 100/200 rule.
My USCF has dropped unfortunately because I need to get my killer instinct back in OTB play. I have been failing both with my attention and my health to sit long. I am working on that. However.. I am at my general low right now. I hit 1895? Maybe 1897? Mostly because I resigned my last two games out of anger. However I am usually consistenly over 1950. And I have extremely recently like even as soon as right after the first pandemic lockdown lift around 2000-2010. And I have been as high as 2057. If you discount my failure related to trying to get back into OTB shape, my USCF also falls in the 100/200 range.
About my FIDE rating:
At the moment my FIDE does not, but I am fresh out of getting my first rating. I still need to get out of my provisional status. It's possible I could drop the FIDE rating lower and it would stay outside of the 100/200 range but I have a reason for that. In the US there is a lot of people who are under rated related to the lack of tournament play in the US. We have even seen recent hotshots in our area have massively under rated players. A few years ago a kid about 13-14 had a USCF rating of 2450 with a FIDE rating of about 1450. We laughed at it when we saw it, but he went on the place in the top 20 players in that tournament in the open. That is obviously the most extreme example, but this proves true a lot. The average FIDE class player will have a rating gap of about 300-400 points until they reach the level to enter open tournaments freely and they play often. I never trust FIDE ratings in the US under 2200.
Conclusion: If you have not noticed I left out an important point in all of this. That is that you can apply the 100/200 rule to ALL of the ratings. And it will be relatively accurate. Notice I said "relatively". And if you apply this rule to my USCF it negates my excuse sort of with the FIDE rating. ;-) If we apply the 100/200 rule to my USCF right now, my Lichess rapid rating is slightly too high, but my FIDE rating falls in line. I still can negate the "CURRENT" FIDE rating based on my provisional status, but if I am outside my provisional status I have to apply the rule regardless of where it is at that time. So look at the difference between my ratings. The ratings that fall outside of the 100/200 rule only fall out of that rule within the 50/100 rule. And this is consistent with all of my ratings currently. You can theoretically use this system to estimate ratings. And you can logically use a correction of about 50 points average. So if your rating here averages let's take yours 2100? If we assume we can apply this rule to your rapid we can say your rapid is about 1900-2300. Give or take 50 points. In general it should be somewhat accurate. Unless there is some other thing that hinders a particular rating. Like some people can play OTB but something about computers make them unable to perform online and vice versa.
Sorry for the book.
There has been a lot of times where I have witnessed people play friendly blitz. On pretty much every level except maybe 2300+. You have people who will quite often show really poor judgement in blitz. Heck even losing to much lower competition because they are younger and faster. On the other hand, in the same tournament watching those people most of them performed much higher in the OTB regular play setting. Several of them played blitz so poorly that they lost to most of the people in the tournament and then go on to win clear first in their sections. As much as people believe it can translate it can't.
Now.. IN general if you "AVERAGE" a certain rating it's a good chance that you can go by the 50/100 rule. Or the 100/200 rule depending on which one you want to apply. What this means is, if you want to know what level you are you can apply one of those two rules and be relatively accurate across multiple pools. I would suggest that you apply the 100/200 rule to transfer between pools. The reason is: The 50/100 rule is usually used within a pool to determine if players are relatively equal. Whereas most of the time the 100/200 rule is used to determine equality between pools.
What is the rules I mention exactly you ask? Basically you take a rating. You ADD the rule up or down to it. So let's take my rapid rating and apply it to my chess.com rapid. If I apply the 100/200 rule I am 2154 right now. So I should be 2254-1954 chess.com. If you look at my chess.com rating right now:
www.chess.com/stats/live/rapid/encephalocele
You can see that I am 2084. So I fall within the 100/200 rule.
My USCF has dropped unfortunately because I need to get my killer instinct back in OTB play. I have been failing both with my attention and my health to sit long. I am working on that. However.. I am at my general low right now. I hit 1895? Maybe 1897? Mostly because I resigned my last two games out of anger. However I am usually consistenly over 1950. And I have extremely recently like even as soon as right after the first pandemic lockdown lift around 2000-2010. And I have been as high as 2057. If you discount my failure related to trying to get back into OTB shape, my USCF also falls in the 100/200 range.
About my FIDE rating:
At the moment my FIDE does not, but I am fresh out of getting my first rating. I still need to get out of my provisional status. It's possible I could drop the FIDE rating lower and it would stay outside of the 100/200 range but I have a reason for that. In the US there is a lot of people who are under rated related to the lack of tournament play in the US. We have even seen recent hotshots in our area have massively under rated players. A few years ago a kid about 13-14 had a USCF rating of 2450 with a FIDE rating of about 1450. We laughed at it when we saw it, but he went on the place in the top 20 players in that tournament in the open. That is obviously the most extreme example, but this proves true a lot. The average FIDE class player will have a rating gap of about 300-400 points until they reach the level to enter open tournaments freely and they play often. I never trust FIDE ratings in the US under 2200.
Conclusion: If you have not noticed I left out an important point in all of this. That is that you can apply the 100/200 rule to ALL of the ratings. And it will be relatively accurate. Notice I said "relatively". And if you apply this rule to my USCF it negates my excuse sort of with the FIDE rating. ;-) If we apply the 100/200 rule to my USCF right now, my Lichess rapid rating is slightly too high, but my FIDE rating falls in line. I still can negate the "CURRENT" FIDE rating based on my provisional status, but if I am outside my provisional status I have to apply the rule regardless of where it is at that time. So look at the difference between my ratings. The ratings that fall outside of the 100/200 rule only fall out of that rule within the 50/100 rule. And this is consistent with all of my ratings currently. You can theoretically use this system to estimate ratings. And you can logically use a correction of about 50 points average. So if your rating here averages let's take yours 2100? If we assume we can apply this rule to your rapid we can say your rapid is about 1900-2300. Give or take 50 points. In general it should be somewhat accurate. Unless there is some other thing that hinders a particular rating. Like some people can play OTB but something about computers make them unable to perform online and vice versa.
Sorry for the book.
That's okay. I didn't read it!
@LudoBlitz
Not level of play. But one can associate it with the Wikipedia page you showed by conversion of Lichess rating to FIDE rating.
See: chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/
Not level of play. But one can associate it with the Wikipedia page you showed by conversion of Lichess rating to FIDE rating.
See: chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/
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