Why do people want to prevent draws in grandmaster games for the sake of more “exciting” games despite it making grandmasters take more risks and play worse moves?
because there is nothing at stake. Why wouldn't you always play for a win in online chess.
Well, if you are content with that (arranged ) 12-movers, so shall it be. Not everyone likes an eiaculatio praecox.
(in my opinion) there is nothing wrong with draws eg stalemate, repetition, 50 move rule , insufficient checkmating material. However agreed draws is a joke as it opens the flood gates for shifty collusion for players to draw with friends to give them an advantage against other players eg 6 round tournament you play 2 friends guaranteed two draws so you can only lose 4 games max while everyone else can lose 6 games max also you protect your rating from 2 losses. In my closing argument agreed draws should have no place in chess as it has nothing to do with the game mechanics as the other ways of drawing must result in a certain position to be reached however agreed draws do not.
Imagine if in a boxing match the two fighters half way through the fight could say "You know, I'm pretty tired. You also look pretty tired. We're both boxing pretty well in any case. How about we call it a tie and go home?" The idea is absurd, yet that's exactly what we do in chess.
Carlsen is probably the clearest demonstration of the absurdity of our system of draws. He's been dominating but most importantly he's been extracting wins from countless positions that many other players would just shake hands and go home on. I think the modern player at some point began to take their technique for granted and so people stopped playing out games increasingly early leaving more and more life on the board. Carlsen was just a reminder that there's plenty of life beyond the middle game, much like Tal was a reminder that as we moved beyond the romantic era, many players had forgotten how to defend against unrelenting aggression.
Carlsen is probably the clearest demonstration of the absurdity of our system of draws. He's been dominating but most importantly he's been extracting wins from countless positions that many other players would just shake hands and go home on. I think the modern player at some point began to take their technique for granted and so people stopped playing out games increasingly early leaving more and more life on the board. Carlsen was just a reminder that there's plenty of life beyond the middle game, much like Tal was a reminder that as we moved beyond the romantic era, many players had forgotten how to defend against unrelenting aggression.
Still though you can't (and shouldn't) prevent forced draws, as they are a property of chess itself. Take this for example:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1067374
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1067374
@soni777 how is that a forced draw? move king to d8 and if knight f7+ Qxf7 and it should be an easy win for black unless i am missing something
@hurryupdude
Bxf7 and white has 2 bishops, is 1 pawn up and e4 is weak on top. For me it would be a clear win
As for the matters with draws- from a perspective of a german Bundesliga player. I am often playing against stronger players, GMs, and for me a draw is a good result. I see no reason why I should be punished for achieving something and my oponent should be punished for not outplaying me. He is losing elo points, he is punished enough. As for 12 moves draws, well we are both at fault if we drive 15 hours just to shake hands, are we? It is not that easy. E.g. it might happen that I prepared 5 variations against him, and he tried to play one where I might not remember the right continuation. If we settle for a draw at 12 moves it is often not because we dont fight, but because 1 of us 2 played a variation which got countered and we could blitz out the next 20 moves but the result will be the same. It is just WE both know it is a drawing sequence.
The issue you speak about is not about chess as sport. It might be a strategical offer, you wanted to draw the leader,... You are punished by throwing away your white game and having to potentially defend the black game next time, and your next oponent does not have to be as friendly as you. The issue you are talking about is chess as 'entertainment'. You want to see blood, but for chess as sport nothign is wrong. Even if after a long tournament in the last round the 2 GMs just draw after 5 moves, from a sportive perspecitve it is a right decision. The still deserved it, sicne they did win the first 8 rounds, right? And as a semi-professional chess player i would prefer chess to be professional rather than entertaining
Bxf7 and white has 2 bishops, is 1 pawn up and e4 is weak on top. For me it would be a clear win
As for the matters with draws- from a perspective of a german Bundesliga player. I am often playing against stronger players, GMs, and for me a draw is a good result. I see no reason why I should be punished for achieving something and my oponent should be punished for not outplaying me. He is losing elo points, he is punished enough. As for 12 moves draws, well we are both at fault if we drive 15 hours just to shake hands, are we? It is not that easy. E.g. it might happen that I prepared 5 variations against him, and he tried to play one where I might not remember the right continuation. If we settle for a draw at 12 moves it is often not because we dont fight, but because 1 of us 2 played a variation which got countered and we could blitz out the next 20 moves but the result will be the same. It is just WE both know it is a drawing sequence.
The issue you speak about is not about chess as sport. It might be a strategical offer, you wanted to draw the leader,... You are punished by throwing away your white game and having to potentially defend the black game next time, and your next oponent does not have to be as friendly as you. The issue you are talking about is chess as 'entertainment'. You want to see blood, but for chess as sport nothign is wrong. Even if after a long tournament in the last round the 2 GMs just draw after 5 moves, from a sportive perspecitve it is a right decision. The still deserved it, sicne they did win the first 8 rounds, right? And as a semi-professional chess player i would prefer chess to be professional rather than entertaining
@hurryupdude After Qxf7 white has an extra pawn in the endgame
@Strategymaster absolutely agreed! I'm not sure why chess has to be a spectator sport
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