Contacting players for post game conversation

@LinearStork said in #31:
>Also known as unintentional gambits, that was a "sacrifice" and not a blunder, or we can just be real and call it a mistake. Whatever helps you sleep at night and justify your thoughts.
Not all bad openings are by mistake. If you think they are all mistakes you are just deluding yourself. Some are, but he's obviously not talking about those.

> No one has to answer you on why they did what they did, it is their choice and not your business. Every player is allowed to play how they want to without having to answer to someone they do not know on the internet.
The fact that you feel the need to point out something the he obviously already knows, and in fact explicitly stated already just shows how hurting you are for any good points to make. He never said anyone has to answer him?

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@Linspiring said in #41:
> Not all bad openings are by mistake. If you think they are all mistakes you are just deluding yourself. Some are, but he's obviously not talking about those.
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> The fact that you feel the need to point out something the he obviously already knows, and in fact explicitly stated already just shows how hurting you are for any good points to make. He never said anyone has to answer him?
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From calling OP mentally unbalanced to cherry picking things from longer posts and taking them out of context. Kudos.

So lets start with your first Cherry:

Throughout this thread, OP is constantly mentioning how stupid these players are for their choice of opening. We can now assume based on that, OP believes these are mistakes. I did not judge others choice of opening here, and was merely pointing out in a previous post you seem to have not read that calling people out for their "Mistakes" when you make them to is ridiculous.

@LinearStork said in #16:
> Hey pot, meet kettle.
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> This is the very first game in your history, I do not think you should be judging anyone after losing 2 pieces in the first 12 moves.
@LinearStork said in #31:
> My post is absolutely not about "HA, gotcha". My post is pointing out your clear arrogance and stating you should probably not be throwing stones in a glass house. I am sure in your 10,000 games I could find more examples. Just like I can do the same to ANY player on this site, my self included. We all play terribly sometimes or do silly things.
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> As an example, I never thought one would need to "experiment" on exposing an undefended piece to an attack after over 10,000 games to know it isn't a good idea. But hey, I "experiment" sometimes too; Also known as unintentional gambits, that was a "sacrifice" and not a blunder, or we can just be real and call it a mistake. Whatever helps you sleep at night and justify your thoughts.
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> No one has to answer you on why they did what they did, it is their choice and not your business. Every player is allowed to play how they want to without having to answer to someone they do not know on the internet. The fact that you cannot wrap your head around this and feel insulted by another persons free will is concerning.

Here is the full post that you so arrogantly cherry picked from.

So for Cherry number 2:

OP clearly believes they are entitled to some kind of answer from these opponents, as you can see from their constant whining about no one responding throughout this thread.

So you clearly just wanted to pick a fight here for some unknown reason, and in the future you should probably respond to the entire post from someone and not just bits taken out of context to reinforce your "points".

You want to talk about hurting for points to make? Maybe it should be a 1 on 1 chat with just yourself.

@LinearStork said in #42:
> From calling OP mentally unbalanced to cherry picking things from longer posts and taking them out of context. Kudos.
I told him in private messages that I was just trolling him in the forum since he was talking about trolling in the games, I thought it was ironic, and now we are tight. Don't assume you know everything that happens here.

> Throughout this thread, OP is constantly mentioning how stupid these players are for their choice of opening. We can now assume based on that, OP believes these are mistakes. I did not judge others choice of opening here, and was merely pointing out in a previous post you seem to have not read that calling people out for their "Mistakes" when you make them to is ridiculous.
You are comparing apples and oranges!! Making a mistake accidentally and deliberately doing bad openings are two completely different things.

> OP clearly believes they are entitled to some kind of answer from these opponents, as you can see from their constant whining about no one responding throughout this thread.
First calling someone a whiner is not nice, so who is picking a fight here? Now, just because he might be frustrated about not getting answers doesn't mean that he believes he is entitled to them. I get frustrated when my plans don't work out in a game because my opponenet doesn't do the moves I expected but that doesnt' mean that I think I'm entitled to have have him play the moves I want. That's ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!! Also another reason for mentioning that no one answers is to show why he created this thread. He probably was expecting people to say "why don't you ask them?????" "we don't know why they did that!" So you're projecting your own dumb notions on to a person who clearly did not entertain those notions. You are making up straw man arguments.

> So you clearly just wanted to pick a fight here for some unknown reason, and in the future you should probably respond to the entire post from someone and not just bits taken out of context to reinforce your "points".
Ther'es no part of your post that I left out that would invalidate anything that I said. I sleect my quotes carefully to show the crux of what I am responding to while not spamming the thread with needless repetition out of respect for people's time. Something that you might do well to learn.

@wornaki said in #1:
> If you were sent a message by somebody that you played against in bullet, would you care to respond?
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> I have started contacting players that play stupid chess against me messaging them why they played stupid chess against me? Maybe they like playing lines that are just bad, maybe they were/are intoxicated, maybe they are chess trolls. I'm genuinely curious, but most don't reply, which is a shame...

OP, I have so many questions. But we will start with a few,
firstly, we are going to start with assuming all players are perfect. I think it's pretty clear that not all players are good players, and honestly, most of us is still learning. and on that note, I could boldly state that there are many players who are just starting out with chess, meaning they probably just move a piece without thinking. so, why is it that, we should attack a player for their 'horrible moves' when we don't know their game plan?

@wornaki said in #14:
> Maybe I'm misinterpreting. Hence why I ask the players who play that way. When I get replies, I get to know more about how they think.
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> People play chess to win. That's perfectly valid. A fair point. I guess winning at all costs is something very near and dear to the average online chess player. I suppose that motivates ridiculous to play with the goal of confusing the opponent and winning. I also suspect there are imaginary brownie points if you can beat opponents playing stupidly. Probably it makes those players feel on top of the world like they can play badly and still win. I imagine they get a kick out of "humiliating" opponents.
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> Then again, my sample size of players who have responded is minimal, so my thinking is just based on my faulty and scarce understanding...

secondly, I was looking through the responses that were provided, my question would be, why do you think that how your opponent plays is all about you? as soon as your opponent plays 'horribly', you straight up presume that they are doing so to troll you. but again, why does it matter? isn't it just another win on your belt? as you mentioned too, 'people play chess to win'. sure, we could go with that concept, though people play chess to win, and it's definitely a show of great skills when they are able to beat you despite their 'illogical' moves. and adding to my point before, this also shows how great of a player you are, to be not able to win despite your opponents' horrible moves.

but anyways, this is just my opinion. I am by no means a 'good' player, I am subpar, to say the least, but if my opponent texts me regarding my moves, they either will have no response or get blocked.
and also, I'd love to hear opinions on this matter, as I personally don't think it is the right move to undermine your opponents' capabilities...

Observe the typical Lichess forum in it's natural habitat: A ridiculous question, answered by a couple folks, push wood posts a one-liner, then someone else comes in and acts overly aggressive, and then 2 people start having a personal fight that takes up 3 pages.

@wornaki said in #23:
> My question is... why do you play that? That is my original question. If they reply, then I may or may not share that I find that kind of play to be insulting. But if they don't provide any reply, then nothing comes out of it, which is the most typical scenario.

Honestly man I think people play ridiculous things just for a laugh. Whether it’s the bong cloud or starting the game with a4 and h4. I think there is a good chance that they simply don’t care about the result and just find it amusing to play silly. If, for example, they play the bong cloud and you win, then great. Your opponent got what they deserved, but they don’t owe you an explanation, which is probably why they don’t provide you with one. And if you ask the question in a rude way, they’ll probably be even less inclined to answer your question.

@wornaki said in #1:
> If you were sent a message by somebody that you played against in bullet, would you care to respond?

Ill check what he wants, sure. But he wants to do a post mortem or something, at least 10 mins or more.
Moving something in bullet takes precedent over thinking, so there is nothing to discuss.

But you are playing bullet, people will do stupid moves, from newbies to GM's. So there is no particular reason to contact them unless you just want to be as obnoxious as possible, but you wouldnt want to be like that right for other reason than ego boosting right?