He was a really good player. Why did they banned he? No idea.
@rooooks said in #12:
> So he was banned and there is no explanation why?
I think that isn't so good. They really have to give an explanation why they banned he. He was so great! I can't believe it!
> So he was banned and there is no explanation why?
I think that isn't so good. They really have to give an explanation why they banned he. He was so great! I can't believe it!
Oh my, oh my... :-/
I don't think pepellou is a cheat but the cheating in zh in lichess has reached insane levels. I decided to stop playing zh on lichess in total exasperation. Somehow, the cheat detection does not see anything wrong with a person spotting every threat all through the game, game after game. This is statistically impossible for a human being over a series of games but there are people routinely doing just that.
I trust the cheat detection in standard is much better and I will stick to that.
I trust the cheat detection in standard is much better and I will stick to that.
In all fairness, I don't think it is reasonable to expect lichess to tell how they detected cheating in not just this case, any case.
It is quite possible that the moderators went wrong but I guess a few wrong bans is better than tolerance for wholesale cheating.
It is quite possible that the moderators went wrong but I guess a few wrong bans is better than tolerance for wholesale cheating.
@spidersneedlovetoo said in #60:
> It'd be nice to have some official response to the ideas mentioned above, which i'll repeat:
>
> what are all the fairplay tools worth if an expert player playing their best *ever* just means they are going to get accused and banned?
>
> Not just the *possiblity* of it here with Peppellou but also with @CheckRaiseMate documented here:
>
> lichess.org/@/CheckRaiseMate/blog/beating-hikaru/DmcA0xHs
and pretty much anyone else, which is why at some point we'll need more Hybrid chess..
I can't even say he's the only one who has been unfairly banned and feels the injustice of it. The concept of "he's played too well so he must have cheated" isn't good enough.
In hybrid, there will be someone watching. Not your wife, an arbiter. Maybe not totally impossible to cheat as some may find a way, but very difficult. When do you think there will be an online chess site that can support this?
> It'd be nice to have some official response to the ideas mentioned above, which i'll repeat:
>
> what are all the fairplay tools worth if an expert player playing their best *ever* just means they are going to get accused and banned?
>
> Not just the *possiblity* of it here with Peppellou but also with @CheckRaiseMate documented here:
>
> lichess.org/@/CheckRaiseMate/blog/beating-hikaru/DmcA0xHs
and pretty much anyone else, which is why at some point we'll need more Hybrid chess..
I can't even say he's the only one who has been unfairly banned and feels the injustice of it. The concept of "he's played too well so he must have cheated" isn't good enough.
In hybrid, there will be someone watching. Not your wife, an arbiter. Maybe not totally impossible to cheat as some may find a way, but very difficult. When do you think there will be an online chess site that can support this?
@Bxf7wins said in #64:
> I trust the cheat detection in standard is much better and I will stick to that.
I don't think he was cheating either but if you would like to see the likely games from which Pepellou was accused they are from a standard tournament in which his name was scrubbed from the scoreboard ( lichess.org/tournament/buowiSL6 )
And can be found here:
lichess.org/games/search?players.a=pepellou&dateMin=2023-03-01&dateMax=2023-03-26&sort.field=d&sort.order=desc&analysed=1#results
> I trust the cheat detection in standard is much better and I will stick to that.
I don't think he was cheating either but if you would like to see the likely games from which Pepellou was accused they are from a standard tournament in which his name was scrubbed from the scoreboard ( lichess.org/tournament/buowiSL6 )
And can be found here:
lichess.org/games/search?players.a=pepellou&dateMin=2023-03-01&dateMax=2023-03-26&sort.field=d&sort.order=desc&analysed=1#results
@Bxf7wins said in #64:
> I don't think pepellou is a cheat but the cheating in zh in lichess has reached insane levels. I decided to stop playing zh on lichess in total exasperation. Somehow, the cheat detection does not see anything wrong with a person spotting every threat all through the game, game after game. This is statistically impossible for a human being over a series of games but there are people routinely doing just that.
>
> I trust the cheat detection in standard is much better and I will stick to that.
I heard it got bad in anti-chess at one point and a number of the top players were banned.
I do wonder though if the general standard of these variants has gone up as in some ways it's quite "new" but more players got into them and studied them.
Which reminds me how pepellou was giving advice on the game regarding pawn drops on h6 against a castled king, then if gxh6 Bxh6, @g7 you sacrifice the bishop with Bxg7 then after Kxg7 tou drop @g5 with threats on both h6 and f6, and how hard it is to defend against that.
> I don't think pepellou is a cheat but the cheating in zh in lichess has reached insane levels. I decided to stop playing zh on lichess in total exasperation. Somehow, the cheat detection does not see anything wrong with a person spotting every threat all through the game, game after game. This is statistically impossible for a human being over a series of games but there are people routinely doing just that.
>
> I trust the cheat detection in standard is much better and I will stick to that.
I heard it got bad in anti-chess at one point and a number of the top players were banned.
I do wonder though if the general standard of these variants has gone up as in some ways it's quite "new" but more players got into them and studied them.
Which reminds me how pepellou was giving advice on the game regarding pawn drops on h6 against a castled king, then if gxh6 Bxh6, @g7 you sacrifice the bishop with Bxg7 then after Kxg7 tou drop @g5 with threats on both h6 and f6, and how hard it is to defend against that.
Thanks @spidersneedlovetoo for the link. I take back my words. This is definitely cheating. The ban is right.
@Bxf7wins said in #69:
> Thanks @spidersneedlovetoo for the link. I take back my words. This is definitely cheating. The ban is right.
Right, at face value all the computer analysis leans one way, but beyond that what makes you so sure?
Isn't it possible just from that public-facing data that he had a great day and his opponents played poorly?
> Thanks @spidersneedlovetoo for the link. I take back my words. This is definitely cheating. The ban is right.
Right, at face value all the computer analysis leans one way, but beyond that what makes you so sure?
Isn't it possible just from that public-facing data that he had a great day and his opponents played poorly?
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