Does lichess spy on private conversations and if the answer is it depends, then under what conditions? Also, does moderators access private conversations routinely or only if a complain is filed?
I believe that is at the discretion of the moderator however i believe they can read your PMs if they so desire. You may also find your lichess forum posts or responses listed when you do a Google search. I have also had Google discover topics pop up that are related to an earlier conversation I had thought was private. Perhaps just data harvesting,idkfs.
In general I really think they probably only look at private conversations in response to a complaint.We really arent that interesting and they probably have better things to do.
In general I really think they probably only look at private conversations in response to a complaint.We really arent that interesting and they probably have better things to do.
@King-Queen-Crusaders said in #1:
> Does lichess spy on private conversations
You are arguing from a false premise. This is a private server and the owner can make up any rule whatsoever. If - just for instance - the owner rules tomorrow that everybody playing you gets a queen extra, then the only thing you could do is to go elsewhere.
If you don't want your conversations being read get an e-mail account and encrypt all your mails. The only ones reading that will be the NSA then - in the name of freedom, democracy and more nice weather for all.
> Does lichess spy on private conversations
You are arguing from a false premise. This is a private server and the owner can make up any rule whatsoever. If - just for instance - the owner rules tomorrow that everybody playing you gets a queen extra, then the only thing you could do is to go elsewhere.
If you don't want your conversations being read get an e-mail account and encrypt all your mails. The only ones reading that will be the NSA then - in the name of freedom, democracy and more nice weather for all.
@Nomen-Nonatur said in #3:
> You are arguing from a false premise. This is a private server and the owner can make up any rule whatsoever. If - just for instance - the owner rules tomorrow that everybody playing you gets a queen extra, then the only thing you could do is to go elsewhere.
That's an horrendous comparison. If you rent your apartment to a private landlord, that doesn't mean they have the right to put mics and cameras in the bathroom.
> You are arguing from a false premise. This is a private server and the owner can make up any rule whatsoever. If - just for instance - the owner rules tomorrow that everybody playing you gets a queen extra, then the only thing you could do is to go elsewhere.
That's an horrendous comparison. If you rent your apartment to a private landlord, that doesn't mean they have the right to put mics and cameras in the bathroom.
@PxJ said in #4:
> If you rent your apartment to a private landlord, that doesn't mean they have the right to put mics and cameras in the bathroom.
I am not sure what you mean: if the apartment is yours you are to make the rules. The one you are renting to has to either accept that or rent elsewhere. So "I rent to you this apartment for the price of X under the condition that the cameras stay where they are." is a perfectly legal proposition. You may not lie about the cameras being there or not, but as long as you are open about it there is perhaps nothing the other can do except for walking away from the deal.
Furthermore, if you *rent* something you pay for a certain service and you have the right to get this service provided to you. Here you pay nothing and this is about all you have the right to receive. Again: if you don't want it, then go somewhere else.
> If you rent your apartment to a private landlord, that doesn't mean they have the right to put mics and cameras in the bathroom.
I am not sure what you mean: if the apartment is yours you are to make the rules. The one you are renting to has to either accept that or rent elsewhere. So "I rent to you this apartment for the price of X under the condition that the cameras stay where they are." is a perfectly legal proposition. You may not lie about the cameras being there or not, but as long as you are open about it there is perhaps nothing the other can do except for walking away from the deal.
Furthermore, if you *rent* something you pay for a certain service and you have the right to get this service provided to you. Here you pay nothing and this is about all you have the right to receive. Again: if you don't want it, then go somewhere else.
@Nomen-Nonatur I am pretty sure that even if you don't lie about the cameras, one could make a case that you're not allowed to rent the appartement, and win the case.
And regardless, is it written anywhere on Lichess that provate discussions might be spied on?
@Nomen-Nonatur said in #5:
> Again: if you don't want it, then go somewhere else.
And if you don't want to work for 10 cents an hour, go somewhere else and another poor devil will gladly take the job.
And regardless, is it written anywhere on Lichess that provate discussions might be spied on?
@Nomen-Nonatur said in #5:
> Again: if you don't want it, then go somewhere else.
And if you don't want to work for 10 cents an hour, go somewhere else and another poor devil will gladly take the job.
@PxJ said in #6:
> And regardless, is it written anywhere on Lichess that provate discussions might be spied on?
No - but on the other hand it is nowhere stated that you have the right to even have private discussions (or an account in first place) at all. So, if you try to log on tomorrow and get a message "we deleted your accout - just because" you may be incended, disheartened, angry - whatever you want, but that won't get you yor account back.
(Now, i know this is not likely to happen and a web site working that way would lose its visitors rather sooner than later, but: it would be the owners right to do so and there would be nothing you could do about it - other than foam!)
> And if you don't want to work for 10 cents an hour, go somewhere else and another poor devil will gladly take the job.
Yes, absolutely. Do i like that? No, of course not! Do i even condone that? No, not at all either! But these are the rules our society works upon, like it or not. If i would have my way, i would change the society in a way that this - and the people making it happen - would not be possible any more. Alas, the world doesn't work like i would like it to do, so, this is what we (have to) live with.
> And regardless, is it written anywhere on Lichess that provate discussions might be spied on?
No - but on the other hand it is nowhere stated that you have the right to even have private discussions (or an account in first place) at all. So, if you try to log on tomorrow and get a message "we deleted your accout - just because" you may be incended, disheartened, angry - whatever you want, but that won't get you yor account back.
(Now, i know this is not likely to happen and a web site working that way would lose its visitors rather sooner than later, but: it would be the owners right to do so and there would be nothing you could do about it - other than foam!)
> And if you don't want to work for 10 cents an hour, go somewhere else and another poor devil will gladly take the job.
Yes, absolutely. Do i like that? No, of course not! Do i even condone that? No, not at all either! But these are the rules our society works upon, like it or not. If i would have my way, i would change the society in a way that this - and the people making it happen - would not be possible any more. Alas, the world doesn't work like i would like it to do, so, this is what we (have to) live with.
@Dukedog said in #2:
> I believe that is at the discretion of the moderator however i believe they can read your PMs if they so desire. You may also find your lichess forum posts or responses listed when you do a Google search. I have also had Google discover topics pop up that are related to an earlier conversation I had thought was private. Perhaps just data harvesting,idkfs.
> In general I really think they probably only look at private conversations in response to a complaint.We really arent that interesting and they probably have better things to do.
Hi,
Can you please expand a little on the "google search" and "google discovery" part?
Thanks
> I believe that is at the discretion of the moderator however i believe they can read your PMs if they so desire. You may also find your lichess forum posts or responses listed when you do a Google search. I have also had Google discover topics pop up that are related to an earlier conversation I had thought was private. Perhaps just data harvesting,idkfs.
> In general I really think they probably only look at private conversations in response to a complaint.We really arent that interesting and they probably have better things to do.
Hi,
Can you please expand a little on the "google search" and "google discovery" part?
Thanks
@pappet365: Results vary between different search engines (and even different locations/histories), so take the following *cum grano salis*. Your mileage may vary:
Search at "duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=nomen-nonatur+putin&ia=web" for "Nomen-Nonatur Putin" and the first link coming up is a result is my activity page: "@Nomen-Nonatur". The second result would be (for me) "lichess.org/forum/off-topic-discussion/putin-blackmails-with-nuclear-war#6", a posting i wrote a few days ago.
Again, because of different browser histories, etc. your results may vary, but you should get the same links, more or less.
Search at "duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=nomen-nonatur+putin&ia=web" for "Nomen-Nonatur Putin" and the first link coming up is a result is my activity page: "@Nomen-Nonatur". The second result would be (for me) "lichess.org/forum/off-topic-discussion/putin-blackmails-with-nuclear-war#6", a posting i wrote a few days ago.
Again, because of different browser histories, etc. your results may vary, but you should get the same links, more or less.
@pappet365
On Google search I have seen a link to Lichess pop up as part of search for something else. I assume it's part of the search engine methodology and nothing nefarious on anyone's part. If you search pappet365 lichess you'll see your posts and a link to Lichess forums. This is to be expected ig .
As to discover, I've seen topics pop up related to discussions I've had with friends in PM.
A close reading of the terms of service particularly the permissions you give us section makes clear that any data generated on this site is the property of the site and can be used as lichess chooses .You may also want to read the privacy policy in it's entirety. As to the issue of spying, it's immaterial in that data generated on lichess is the property of lichess and not that of the user and may be shared as lichess sees fit.
Everything is spelled out clearly in the TOS but I don't think most people read through it .
On Google search I have seen a link to Lichess pop up as part of search for something else. I assume it's part of the search engine methodology and nothing nefarious on anyone's part. If you search pappet365 lichess you'll see your posts and a link to Lichess forums. This is to be expected ig .
As to discover, I've seen topics pop up related to discussions I've had with friends in PM.
A close reading of the terms of service particularly the permissions you give us section makes clear that any data generated on this site is the property of the site and can be used as lichess chooses .You may also want to read the privacy policy in it's entirety. As to the issue of spying, it's immaterial in that data generated on lichess is the property of lichess and not that of the user and may be shared as lichess sees fit.
Everything is spelled out clearly in the TOS but I don't think most people read through it .
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