I will literally never want to play an engine user

So why am I occasionally get paired with them? Why is there no setting to prevent legitimate players from getting matched with cheating losers. It's frustrating when you play a long game and when you go to analyze your mistakes you realize you've just been playing against a cheater.

The players between 10 and 50 games have a great chance of being cheaters. I have decided not to play anyone in that range.

You're not *actively* paired with them. There still haven't been caught when you play them.

There's also the possibility that they're just good, but not engine all the time ;) Of all my games here I've just recently met an "acclaimed" cheater. After less than 2 hours after I reported him he got suspended (or closed his account). So, you really have to be unlucky

the views of mattbro and AzRedRider that that they are playing against "cheaters" raises more questions than they assume - How can they know their opponents are cheating? Its easy to say say but they should i think dig a bit deeper into themselves and into their games before complaining. If I've lost my games through being cheated - I'm unaware of it - in fact i don't think of it. Yet they seem preoccupied by it - as if waiting to lose - by being cheated of course

@kiseiju & @carno

I am actively being paired with cheaters. Take this game which inspired this thread. http://en.lichess.org/KtAev79RXkLj

This guy was marked as a cheater before we even played, he's obviously a cheater just by looking at his win/loss ratio. The point I'm making is that I shouldn't have to check every opponent's profile to make sure they haven't been flagged as a cheater. These losers game requests shouldn't ever be appearing on my screen for me to click.

I think this might be an issue with unrated games, I think lichess prevents cheaters from playing rated games (maybe?). I honestly don't understand why they don't just purge all these cheating scrubs from this site to begin with.

My issue is that lichess does nothing to notify you that you are about to start a game with a KNOWN cheater.

Carno, I agree you never really know. I'm a hobbie chess player so no one needs a engine to beat me. Thats why its so amazing people cheat on our level of chess. I'm usually drinking or preoccupied to really care about winning or losing. I just love the game. As far as how can you know your opponent is cheating, there are some taletell signs that computers do that humans don't. There are some good videos that explain it better than I can. As far as being preoccupied by it, I cant stop my curiosity now that I know the signs I have to look. :)

I don't know if I'm not conveying my point well enough. I'm NOT accusing people of cheating, or looking for methods to figure out how someone is cheating or how to avoid potential cheaters. I am talking about people WHO HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED AS ENGINE USERS BY LICHESS being able to play legitimate players in casual games.

This is an example of the type of no-life I want to avoid ever getting matched with:



I put out a game request and he accepted, and I had no way of knowing he was a CONFIRMED CHEATER before I started (unless I checked his profile which is out of the way).

I just want lichess to give me a big alert before I move saying "Hey this stupid ass uses an engine because he sucks, you should know that so you don't waste 10 minutes of your life playing stockfish"

@mattbro
If you hover your mouse over opponent name after game has started but before you make your first move, you will be able to see the chess computer message. (Time does not start until both players make first move) You can then cancel game. That is how I weed out players with under 50 games.

I know that, but if lichess knows they are cheaters, and I never want to play a known cheater, why on earth should I have to screen every account I ever play when I could just choose not be paired with them. I can't be the only person who has felt this way.