Hi guys.
In the previous topic of March 22 <Really? Propaganda? Fake?>
lichess.org/forum/off-topic-discussion/truth-propaganda-fake
Regarding the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, I tried to understand how and by whom public opinion is formed in the West, that's what I understood from the answers in the topic and in others too (there are many of them).
In most cases, the opinion that Russia is an aggressor and a monster does not arise on the basis of an analysis of facts, a comparison of sources, or even viewing fakes. This opinion is your FAITH that someone must be worse than you! This is a matter of FAITH, but not objectivity. You have been made to believe it, and you are ready to accept it with joy. You (the West) have become a sect against Russia.
Who is not with you is against you! You have banned Tchaikovsky and Dostoevsky and, probably, you will soon make bonfires out of books. Why do I think so? You all play chess and sometimes you analyze games. Let's analyze together with you the well-known facts that are obvious and known to the whole world.
So, <<WEST>>. The West in this case is not a geographical concept, but a civilizational one, more precisely, it is the Anglo-Saxon world led by the USA (these are overlords) and Europe (these are vassals). Perhaps, with the exception of Serbia and a little Hungary, France and Germany. In short, this is a NATO bloc.
Maybe I'm wrong and the US is not a suzerain and Europe is not a vassal? Then tell me, are there military bases of Germany or France in the USA? Not? So who is the occupier?)
By the way, a small note.
What is a NATO bloc? These are 30 countries led by the USA. The USA and NATO have about 700!!! military bases in 177 countries of the world!!! Plus about 300 military biological laboratories around the world.
How does the "West" (USA) always start wars? The script is always the same.
A) the formation of public opinion. Informational reasons for aggression or fakes, it does not matter. There are many, here are the most common.
1. Threat to US or NATO national security
2. Genocide of part of the population
3. Restoring peace and security (through war?)
4. Fight for Democracy (favorite)
5. Liberation from something (from terrorists, etc.)
6 ....... It's just necessary, we'll think of a reason later)
B) Sanctions
С) armed aggression.
Chronicle of US and NATO aggression. I will not write, it will be long. In short, this is interference in the affairs of about 50 countries over 130 times. This is a rough estimate from open sources from 1945 to 2022. Anyone who wants to can easily find out from any source.
Let's take a look at the most famous and bloodiest of them since 1991. All of them are located outside the USA.
1) 1999 Yugoslavia is the center of Europe. In 78 days, NATO aircraft carried out about 2,300 missile and bomb strikes against 990 targets in Serbia and Montenegro. Outcome - The country is fragmented.
2) 2003-2011 Iraq. The USA used chemical weapons (white phosphorus). The exact number of victims of the Powell test tube is unknown. According to media reports, up to 655 thousand people. As a result, the country is defeated; the president is hanged. Crowds of refugees in Europe.
3) 2001-2021 Afghanistan. As a result, the US fled. Refugees in Europe.
4) The bombing of Libya in 2011. Outcome - The country is defeated, the president is torn to pieces. Refugees in the US?) No, in Europe.
5) 2014 Syria. The reason is that the legitimately elected B. Assad must go. He did not leave, Russia came. Outcome-Since 2018, the United States began to withdraw troops. Refugees in Europe.
Compare with Russia. This is the East
Russia is not part of military blocs and has 18 military bases in 9 countries. He has no biological laboratories abroad. ALL military conflicts involving Russia since 1991 that took place outside its territory.
1) 1992 Armed conflict in Transnistria. The entry of the Russian peacekeeping contingent. Result Conflict frozen
1) 1992-1993 Intra-ethnic conflict in Tajikistan. Skirmish between nationalists and employees of the Russian military base located in Tajikistan. Outcome-conflict terminated.
2) Peacekeeping operation in Georgia from 8 to 22 August 2008.
Russia's reaction to Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia. The result is the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The conflict is over.
3) 2015 Syria. The entry of Russian troops at the invitation of Syria.
Russia's military operation to support the official government of Syria and fight Islamist terrorist organizations. The result - ISIS is defeated. The legitimate president is in power.
4) 2018 Civil war in Central Africa. Sending military and heavy equipment at the request of the government.
5) Karabakh conflict Armenia and Azerbaijan. Entry of Russian peacekeepers. As a result, the conflict was ended.
6) 2022. Ukraine.
Here we come to the armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia. What caused the conflict?
1) The overthrow in 2014 as a result of a coup d'état of the legitimately elected President Yanukovych. It is a fact.
2) Threat to Russia's national interests. Namely, the expansion of the aggressive NATO bloc to the borders of Russia. It is a fact.
3) The genocide of the Russian population in the Donbass for 8 years. Bombing, shelling, etc. According to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, over 3,000 civilians have died during the years of the armed conflict in Donbas. It is a fact.
And now Guys, tell me, these reasons and methods for solving them (armed invasion) - is this a EUROPEAN approach to solving the problem ?!
YES!!! More precisely, the NATO, or rather, the AMERICAN approach. WESTERN method! What is the difference??? YOU yourself have been doing just that with other countries for decades and under the same pretexts. However, there is a difference from you. Russia does not carry out carpet bombing of civilians, as NATO always and everywhere does, does not use napalm and Agent Orange, as you did in Vietnam, and, of course, does not use atomic bombs, as the United States did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. . So I was wrong, Russia is not the West, but the East. You created an enemy from Russia, maybe it has always been like this? I hope it's not. And of course, in Russia no one will ban Schiller and Maupassant, close Leroy Merlin and turn off the lichess website. If McDonald's closes, I will be happy) And no one will humiliate a person just because he is Ukrainian or German, of course, creating another Russian chess site instead of a French one is not a problem, but I really don't want to happen. I am not a politician or even an official, I am a simple person and I do not like violence under any pretext, but what I see makes me draw precisely such conclusions.
РS. All data is taken from Wikipedia, there may be inaccuracies, but basically everything is correct. Speaking of officials. When our standard of living falls in Russia, we are told that the West is to blame (sanctions and other nonsense). For some reason, I’m sure that your officials are telling you that Russia is to blame for everything. It seems to me that they are all the same)
In the previous topic of March 22 <Really? Propaganda? Fake?>
lichess.org/forum/off-topic-discussion/truth-propaganda-fake
Regarding the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, I tried to understand how and by whom public opinion is formed in the West, that's what I understood from the answers in the topic and in others too (there are many of them).
In most cases, the opinion that Russia is an aggressor and a monster does not arise on the basis of an analysis of facts, a comparison of sources, or even viewing fakes. This opinion is your FAITH that someone must be worse than you! This is a matter of FAITH, but not objectivity. You have been made to believe it, and you are ready to accept it with joy. You (the West) have become a sect against Russia.
Who is not with you is against you! You have banned Tchaikovsky and Dostoevsky and, probably, you will soon make bonfires out of books. Why do I think so? You all play chess and sometimes you analyze games. Let's analyze together with you the well-known facts that are obvious and known to the whole world.
So, <<WEST>>. The West in this case is not a geographical concept, but a civilizational one, more precisely, it is the Anglo-Saxon world led by the USA (these are overlords) and Europe (these are vassals). Perhaps, with the exception of Serbia and a little Hungary, France and Germany. In short, this is a NATO bloc.
Maybe I'm wrong and the US is not a suzerain and Europe is not a vassal? Then tell me, are there military bases of Germany or France in the USA? Not? So who is the occupier?)
By the way, a small note.
What is a NATO bloc? These are 30 countries led by the USA. The USA and NATO have about 700!!! military bases in 177 countries of the world!!! Plus about 300 military biological laboratories around the world.
How does the "West" (USA) always start wars? The script is always the same.
A) the formation of public opinion. Informational reasons for aggression or fakes, it does not matter. There are many, here are the most common.
1. Threat to US or NATO national security
2. Genocide of part of the population
3. Restoring peace and security (through war?)
4. Fight for Democracy (favorite)
5. Liberation from something (from terrorists, etc.)
6 ....... It's just necessary, we'll think of a reason later)
B) Sanctions
С) armed aggression.
Chronicle of US and NATO aggression. I will not write, it will be long. In short, this is interference in the affairs of about 50 countries over 130 times. This is a rough estimate from open sources from 1945 to 2022. Anyone who wants to can easily find out from any source.
Let's take a look at the most famous and bloodiest of them since 1991. All of them are located outside the USA.
1) 1999 Yugoslavia is the center of Europe. In 78 days, NATO aircraft carried out about 2,300 missile and bomb strikes against 990 targets in Serbia and Montenegro. Outcome - The country is fragmented.
2) 2003-2011 Iraq. The USA used chemical weapons (white phosphorus). The exact number of victims of the Powell test tube is unknown. According to media reports, up to 655 thousand people. As a result, the country is defeated; the president is hanged. Crowds of refugees in Europe.
3) 2001-2021 Afghanistan. As a result, the US fled. Refugees in Europe.
4) The bombing of Libya in 2011. Outcome - The country is defeated, the president is torn to pieces. Refugees in the US?) No, in Europe.
5) 2014 Syria. The reason is that the legitimately elected B. Assad must go. He did not leave, Russia came. Outcome-Since 2018, the United States began to withdraw troops. Refugees in Europe.
Compare with Russia. This is the East
Russia is not part of military blocs and has 18 military bases in 9 countries. He has no biological laboratories abroad. ALL military conflicts involving Russia since 1991 that took place outside its territory.
1) 1992 Armed conflict in Transnistria. The entry of the Russian peacekeeping contingent. Result Conflict frozen
1) 1992-1993 Intra-ethnic conflict in Tajikistan. Skirmish between nationalists and employees of the Russian military base located in Tajikistan. Outcome-conflict terminated.
2) Peacekeeping operation in Georgia from 8 to 22 August 2008.
Russia's reaction to Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia. The result is the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The conflict is over.
3) 2015 Syria. The entry of Russian troops at the invitation of Syria.
Russia's military operation to support the official government of Syria and fight Islamist terrorist organizations. The result - ISIS is defeated. The legitimate president is in power.
4) 2018 Civil war in Central Africa. Sending military and heavy equipment at the request of the government.
5) Karabakh conflict Armenia and Azerbaijan. Entry of Russian peacekeepers. As a result, the conflict was ended.
6) 2022. Ukraine.
Here we come to the armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia. What caused the conflict?
1) The overthrow in 2014 as a result of a coup d'état of the legitimately elected President Yanukovych. It is a fact.
2) Threat to Russia's national interests. Namely, the expansion of the aggressive NATO bloc to the borders of Russia. It is a fact.
3) The genocide of the Russian population in the Donbass for 8 years. Bombing, shelling, etc. According to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, over 3,000 civilians have died during the years of the armed conflict in Donbas. It is a fact.
And now Guys, tell me, these reasons and methods for solving them (armed invasion) - is this a EUROPEAN approach to solving the problem ?!
YES!!! More precisely, the NATO, or rather, the AMERICAN approach. WESTERN method! What is the difference??? YOU yourself have been doing just that with other countries for decades and under the same pretexts. However, there is a difference from you. Russia does not carry out carpet bombing of civilians, as NATO always and everywhere does, does not use napalm and Agent Orange, as you did in Vietnam, and, of course, does not use atomic bombs, as the United States did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. . So I was wrong, Russia is not the West, but the East. You created an enemy from Russia, maybe it has always been like this? I hope it's not. And of course, in Russia no one will ban Schiller and Maupassant, close Leroy Merlin and turn off the lichess website. If McDonald's closes, I will be happy) And no one will humiliate a person just because he is Ukrainian or German, of course, creating another Russian chess site instead of a French one is not a problem, but I really don't want to happen. I am not a politician or even an official, I am a simple person and I do not like violence under any pretext, but what I see makes me draw precisely such conclusions.
РS. All data is taken from Wikipedia, there may be inaccuracies, but basically everything is correct. Speaking of officials. When our standard of living falls in Russia, we are told that the West is to blame (sanctions and other nonsense). For some reason, I’m sure that your officials are telling you that Russia is to blame for everything. It seems to me that they are all the same)
