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The five best reasons not to believe in God

1.No evidence
2.It’s illogical
In the absence of evidence, some people try to argue that there “must be” a God because nothing else makes sense
3.The preponderance of suffering
The existence of suffering is an impossible problem for believers in an all-good, caring God to solve. Even if they use the wiggle room to argue that without some suffering there can be no charity; or that people who do wrong are punished, they cannot account for the suffering of innocent children and animals, or worse, the devout believers in their faith.

What kind of God, we may ask – and Fry does, more colourfully – has created a world in which children die in floods, starve to death, perish in agony from TB and malaria? What kind of God allows people who worship and adore him to be murdered, raped, tortured and come to countless other hideous ends?

This does not preclude the existence of any God, of course. God might be, as Fry has it, a maniac. He may be a vicious, sadistic God. Or, like the Greeks and Romans before us, he may be a pantheon of narcissistic Gods who have no interest in looking out for us.
4.We don’t need him
5.Life’s better without him
Religion is about control and limitation. Rules, laws and rituals that restrict and govern behaviour. In some cases – say the genital mutilation of infants in barbaric rites of passage practised by religions such as Judiasm – they actually persuade nice people to do awful things.

1.No evidence 2.It’s illogical In the absence of evidence, some people try to argue that there “must be” a God because nothing else makes sense 3.The preponderance of suffering The existence of suffering is an impossible problem for believers in an all-good, caring God to solve. Even if they use the wiggle room to argue that without some suffering there can be no charity; or that people who do wrong are punished, they cannot account for the suffering of innocent children and animals, or worse, the devout believers in their faith. What kind of God, we may ask – and Fry does, more colourfully – has created a world in which children die in floods, starve to death, perish in agony from TB and malaria? What kind of God allows people who worship and adore him to be murdered, raped, tortured and come to countless other hideous ends? This does not preclude the existence of any God, of course. God might be, as Fry has it, a maniac. He may be a vicious, sadistic God. Or, like the Greeks and Romans before us, he may be a pantheon of narcissistic Gods who have no interest in looking out for us. 4.We don’t need him 5.Life’s better without him Religion is about control and limitation. Rules, laws and rituals that restrict and govern behaviour. In some cases – say the genital mutilation of infants in barbaric rites of passage practised by religions such as Judiasm – they actually persuade nice people to do awful things.

Hm, Alright. Let me give u a base idea of the hindu religion ( the most old )
To counter number 1, the scriptures of hindus already did what science couldnt do. there are a lot of evidences to the apperance of Lord Vishnu ( hindu god. )
To counter number 2, "its illogical" oh wow the exisentence of someone making us is obvisously far more illogical than us just appearing out of nowhere?? woah.
3. suffering? Ok heres where we get a BIT deeper
According to our hindu scriptures, we belive that the person gets his fate according to his PREVIOUS LIFE tasks. He might be any sort of animal, insect, or maybe even a human. According to the deeds of his previous life he gets his birth in the new one. God has only made HUMANS to think freely and do whatever they want in their max span of 80-100 years. This is something u might even call karma. i would explain a lot more deeply but i think this is sufficent.
4. We dont need him
ok well thats the most stupid reason i've ever heard.
"we dont need him" aight aight u dont need him is that coming from a 10 year old kid who was born because of gods wish, and dosent need him.
5. Lifes better without him
uh ok man your certainly very dumb-
ok and to conclude it all, i do not wish to INSULT any relgion caste, etc. if i did i am sorry
And wait as soon as i was almost posting u violated lichess terms?? well lifes certainly good without god right?.
i think i have made my point.

Hm, Alright. Let me give u a base idea of the hindu religion ( the most old ) To counter number 1, the scriptures of hindus already did what science couldnt do. there are a lot of evidences to the apperance of Lord Vishnu ( hindu god. ) To counter number 2, "its illogical" oh wow the exisentence of someone making us is obvisously far more illogical than us just appearing out of nowhere?? woah. 3. suffering? Ok heres where we get a BIT deeper According to our hindu scriptures, we belive that the person gets his fate according to his PREVIOUS LIFE tasks. He might be any sort of animal, insect, or maybe even a human. According to the deeds of his previous life he gets his birth in the new one. God has only made HUMANS to think freely and do whatever they want in their max span of 80-100 years. This is something u might even call karma. i would explain a lot more deeply but i think this is sufficent. 4. We dont need him ok well thats the most stupid reason i've ever heard. "we dont need him" aight aight u dont need him is that coming from a 10 year old kid who was born because of gods wish, and dosent need him. 5. Lifes better without him uh ok man your certainly very dumb- ok and to conclude it all, i do not wish to INSULT any relgion caste, etc. if i did i am sorry And wait as soon as i was almost posting u violated lichess terms?? well lifes certainly good without god right?. i think i have made my point.

Nobody created us
Have you heard of the "big bang" theory my friend :))
Dude, You've literally been brainwashed :)
GOD DOESN'T EXIST
Also yessss life's extremely good without god :)

Nobody created us Have you heard of the "big bang" theory my friend :)) Dude, You've literally been brainwashed :) GOD DOESN'T EXIST Also yessss life's extremely good without god :)

Set your spirit free. If you don't believe, then don't believe in God. I only hope you are happy with it. Religion means Conviction. It has something to do with finding 'inner peace'. And I always say, if your Religion fails to teach a person how to live peacefully: then there must be something wrong in that belief. And I myself, I visit every church of every country and culture - for in each of them I can learn something good, ah, the bad things, are none of my business, they belong to this world like the spice in your soup.

Set your spirit free. If you don't believe, then don't believe in God. I only hope you are happy with it. Religion means Conviction. It has something to do with finding 'inner peace'. And I always say, if your Religion fails to teach a person how to live peacefully: then there must be something wrong in that belief. And I myself, I visit every church of every country and culture - for in each of them I can learn something good, ah, the bad things, are none of my business, they belong to this world like the spice in your soup.

@SpeedRunTo2100 said in #3:

Nobody created us
Have you heard of the "big bang" theory my friend :))
Dude, You've literally been brainwashed :)
GOD DOESN'T EXIST
Also yessss life's extremely good without god :)

You mean the same "Big Bang" theory that was created by Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre?

@SpeedRunTo2100 said in #3: > Nobody created us > Have you heard of the "big bang" theory my friend :)) > Dude, You've literally been brainwashed :) > GOD DOESN'T EXIST > Also yessss life's extremely good without god :) You mean the same "Big Bang" theory that was created by Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre?

Hmm alright but what was the point of making the thread like this it's on people weather the want to believe or not

Hmm alright but what was the point of making the thread like this it's on people weather the want to believe or not

@clousems said in #5:

You mean the same "Big Bang" theory that was created by Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre?
Yeah??
There's like only 1 big bang theory!!!

@clousems said in #5: > You mean the same "Big Bang" theory that was created by Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre? Yeah?? There's like only 1 big bang theory!!!

@SpeedRunTo2100 said in #7:

Yeah??
There's like only 1 big bang theory!!!
So?

@SpeedRunTo2100 said in #7: > Yeah?? > There's like only 1 big bang theory!!! So?
  1. There’s tons of evidence. Go ask anyone who miraculously survived cancer when they 100% should have died. There’s a movie I watched a while ago called “Miracles from Heaven”. It is a true story about a girl with an untreatable disease. SPOILERS! She falls down a giant hole in a tree roughly 2-3 stories high head first and is not killed, not paralyzed, but healed. Explain that for me
  2. Illogical? Yeah, so is the Big Bang Theory.
  3. Ok so as a Christian number 3 is absolutely false. Have you ever read some of the laws in the Bible? Some of them clearly state that anyone who makes certain sins shall be stoned. The Bible is the word of God, meaning he himself spoke the words of it. He is caring; he is loving. But as in Romans 6:23, “the wages of sin is DEATH”. He shows mercy to anyone who repents, but he has killed many. Also, there is an internet meme floating around that “God has many kills, but Satan doesn’t”. I just want to quickly disprove this. Number one, the book of Job is about a man who is put through a trial of faith by having every member of his family killed, BY SATAN, as well as all his livestock. Second, in the first book, Genesis, the devil himself made an appearance to Adam and Eve. He deceived them and made them sin, bringing it into the world. Since then, every person has sinned (I don’t care what you say, yes you have). Looking back at Romans 6:23, it can be made obvious that every death that wasn’t directly caused by God had been caused by the devil, for he brought sin and therefore death.
  4. Again, ask literally anyone who should 100% die but doesn’t
  5. Same as 4.
1. There’s tons of evidence. Go ask anyone who miraculously survived cancer when they 100% should have died. There’s a movie I watched a while ago called “Miracles from Heaven”. It is a true story about a girl with an untreatable disease. SPOILERS! She falls down a giant hole in a tree roughly 2-3 stories high head first and is not killed, not paralyzed, but healed. Explain that for me 2. Illogical? Yeah, so is the Big Bang Theory. 3. Ok so as a Christian number 3 is absolutely false. Have you ever read some of the laws in the Bible? Some of them clearly state that anyone who makes certain sins shall be stoned. The Bible is the word of God, meaning he himself spoke the words of it. He is caring; he is loving. But as in Romans 6:23, “the wages of sin is DEATH”. He shows mercy to anyone who repents, but he has killed many. Also, there is an internet meme floating around that “God has many kills, but Satan doesn’t”. I just want to quickly disprove this. Number one, the book of Job is about a man who is put through a trial of faith by having every member of his family killed, BY SATAN, as well as all his livestock. Second, in the first book, Genesis, the devil himself made an appearance to Adam and Eve. He deceived them and made them sin, bringing it into the world. Since then, every person has sinned (I don’t care what you say, yes you have). Looking back at Romans 6:23, it can be made obvious that every death that wasn’t directly caused by God had been caused by the devil, for he brought sin and therefore death. 4. Again, ask literally anyone who should 100% die but doesn’t 5. Same as 4.

@SpeedRunTo2100 said in #3:

Nobody created us
Have you heard of the "big bang" theory my friend :))

The Big Bang theory makes absolutely no claims about how the universe came to be. None.

It states that the universe in its current form has emerged from a very hot and dense (near-) initial state from which it subsequently expanded and cooled off, producing a very slight abundance of matter over antimatter (why it produced more matter than antimatter is still an open question), therefore allowing for an excess of baryons, which in turn combined into hydrogen, helium and a little bit of lithium shortly after the Big Bang (heavier elements were produced much later by nuclear fusion in the cores of entire generations of stars). What came before this hot and dense state is not known, because prior to 10^(-43) seconds after the (very much hypothetical) singularity (which is not understood at all) the known laws of physics are not able to model the universe. So nobody knows what was or wasn't before that.

Slight quantum fluctuations in this early, dense state of the universe have been blown up enormously by the metric expansion of space. These correspond to the slight temperature anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background radiation. This is how denser and less dense regions of space emerged, the denser regions collapsed under gravity to form filaments of thousands of galaxy clusters (each containing hundreds or thousands of galaxies) and the less dense regions formed huge, empty voids between those filaments. This large scale structure is called the "cosmic web". At larger scales than that the universe is thought to be pretty much homogeneous and isotropic. The structure formation astronomers see is a direct consequence of those early fluctuations, i.e. a prediction of the Big Bang theory.

So you see, the Big Bang is not a theory of creation (it doesn't even touch on that subject), it's a theory of what our universe contains, its past development over the last 13.8 billion years (nearly all of its past, but not quite, at least 10^(-43) seconds are missing) and the structure formation that has occurred within that timeframe. Cosmologists are very clear and transparent about that. About what they do AND do not know.

Please don't misrepresent what they are saying. Thanks in advance!

@SpeedRunTo2100 said in #3: > Nobody created us > Have you heard of the "big bang" theory my friend :)) The Big Bang theory makes absolutely no claims about how the universe came to be. None. It states that the universe in its current form has emerged from a very hot and dense (near-) initial state from which it subsequently expanded and cooled off, producing a very slight abundance of matter over antimatter (why it produced more matter than antimatter is still an open question), therefore allowing for an excess of baryons, which in turn combined into hydrogen, helium and a little bit of lithium shortly after the Big Bang (heavier elements were produced much later by nuclear fusion in the cores of entire generations of stars). What came before this hot and dense state is not known, because prior to 10^(-43) seconds after the (very much hypothetical) singularity (which is not understood at all) the known laws of physics are not able to model the universe. So nobody knows what was or wasn't before that. Slight quantum fluctuations in this early, dense state of the universe have been blown up enormously by the metric expansion of space. These correspond to the slight temperature anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background radiation. This is how denser and less dense regions of space emerged, the denser regions collapsed under gravity to form filaments of thousands of galaxy clusters (each containing hundreds or thousands of galaxies) and the less dense regions formed huge, empty voids between those filaments. This large scale structure is called the "cosmic web". At larger scales than that the universe is thought to be pretty much homogeneous and isotropic. The structure formation astronomers see is a direct consequence of those early fluctuations, i.e. a prediction of the Big Bang theory. So you see, the Big Bang is not a theory of creation (it doesn't even touch on that subject), it's a theory of what our universe contains, its past development over the last 13.8 billion years (nearly all of its past, but not quite, at least 10^(-43) seconds are missing) and the structure formation that has occurred within that timeframe. Cosmologists are very clear and transparent about that. About what they do AND do not know. Please don't misrepresent what they are saying. Thanks in advance!

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