Is Trump finally going down or do we have to suffer much longer?

#149

Politicians always talk to foreign leaders to get help, money, and dirt on political opponents. Hillary has been endorsed, funded and aided openly by the Pope and Saudi Royals who gave her millions and millions of dollars on the record, it even stated so right on the first front page of her foundation.

A border wall exists in pretty much every country, and is an obvious standard thing.

#148

Let me give you a typical example from an industry I worked in, many other people can attest to the same in their line of work:

In 1960s and 70s my colleagues made insane amounts of money, $300k per year... that’s like a million in today’s money or whatever, but what happened now? Well, government regulations made it too expensive to do the stuff we did in USA, so the business moved to Eastern Europe and Asia, so now countless workers in my industry make NOTHING, or pennies. This is not good. Trump undid many of these evils, and so people can work and make money again. Or Unions is another disgusting thing, all they do is collect fees and ride in limousines, and of course protect old fat lazy ineffective workers who can’t be forced because they are protected by the Union contracts, so as result our young people can’t get jobs, the old farts who should have retired long ago or at least work harder, are still sitting there, picking up their paycheck and not doing any work.

Basically people come to USA to work for people like Trump and to hopefully eventually become a businessman themselves. trump was actually personally responsible for me making over 100k on a real estate sale, I owned a place that I sold, it was a Trump building, he made it pretty, stuck his logo on it and those apartments were really sought after, so I sold mine. Much better than Bernie Sanders and other retards who never had a real job, never ran a business and never hired any people or moved the economy up. He is just a stupid parasite. A true communist scum. Being from Soviet Union I know communists well, and this is why people leave their countries and come to USA, the #1 destination of refugees like myself and immigrants. People want capitalism, freedom, not communist scum.

I feel like you only see one side of stuff

Trump claims that he inherited many evils from the Obama years, what he doesn't claim as Obama's legacy but fiercely says is his doing is the healthy economy of the US of A.

That is marginal in any case.

Here is a 78 word summary of why Trump should be impeached:

The President’s Request for a Political Favor
The President Removed Anti-Corruption Champion Ambassador Yovanovitch
The President’s Hand-Picked Agents Began the Scheme
The President Froze Vital Military Assistance
The President Conditioned a White House Meeting on Investigations
The President’s Agents Pursued a “Drug Deal”
The President Pressed President Zelensky to Do a Political Favor
The President’s Representatives Ratcheted up Pressure on the Ukrainian President
Ukrainians Inquired about the President’s Hold on Security Assistance
The President’s Security Assistance Hold Became Public
The President’s Scheme Unraveled
The President’s Chief of Staff Confirmed Aid was Conditioned on Investigations

Everything else is hogwash, Trumpian hogwash...

@Kusokosla
You are becoming more turgid with every post.You say your colleagues in the '60's made big money...doing what?And where did they do it?Those colleagues would be about 80 yrs old by now,which implies you are also.So exactly when did you leave the Soviet Union?
What were the regulations that you claim drove you almost out of business?Maybe to do with paying your workers a fair wage ?
Oh,and my comment that you were only blindly quoting communist doctrine and dogma was closer to the mark than I imagined .

#156

My family were refugees from Soviet Union in 1990. Heavily vetted and legal :) We had to wait a very long time to have the privilege to come and live in America, we had to demonstrate that we will not be on welfare, but rather at e willing to work, have education, and no criminal record, and an interview with American consulate etc. The process took years.

Field I used to work in is music, some of my older colleagues play well into their 80s and 90s. I was involved in that field in my 20s. I’m in my mid 40s now.

Employers pay what they have to to make the business work. At the end of many movies you will see small words: music performed and recorded by Czech Philharmonic or something along those lines, this is because Hollywood composers can’t afford to do it in USA due to Liberal Democrat regulations, so now we have NO work.

#154

Elaborate on that, give an example.

#155

All politicians ask political favors.
How’s do you know that guy Trump fired was anti-corruption?
Trump froze aid to Ukraine? Good. More money for USA, where American money belongs.
Ukrainian president repeatedly denied your claim about trump pressuring him.

@Kusokosla : You realize that I am criticizing Trump for being too liberal in his economic policy, right? Not for being too conservative. In other words, his policies are too close to communism for my tastes.
@SamuelCaplan : So, you're saying that he should be impeached for...politics?

@clousems You might consider amending your phrasing in thread #160, as some readers may find your statement somewhat confusing.

Some might think you are equating "liberal" economic policy with communism, a glaring contradiction in terms as they are, in fact, antithetical in nature when the discussion is framed within the field of Economics. In other words, they lie on completely opposite ends of the economic policy spectrum, the former holding individual freedom at its heart, the latter being - at least theoretically and philosophically - a system based on common ownership of the means of production. An economic liberal believes in the free-market and a laissez-faire economy. A dyed-in-the-wool communist believes in a state-controlled economy in which the market is anything but free.

As an aside, something tells me @thibault - this site's founder - is quite fond of the "commons run by the people, for the people" idea, and must derive no end of amusement from the fact that economic liberals tacitly support his site by their usage! ;D

Now, if you are talking Political beliefs, some might say that President Trump, although appealing to a brand of right-wing populism, has a purely idiosyncratic (for a "politician") view of large and small scale economic decision making which defies any "left-right" policy divide. Some might even say that very characteristic is part of his appeal to many people who relate to him on a purely instinctual level, forgiving him his obvious and important contradictions because they have lost all trust in politicians as a class, convinced - and, perhaps rightly so - that these people serve only their interests and those of the organizations they cater and pander to while they shamelessly steal and swindle away peoples way of life like some snake oil salesman at a carnival.

To be clear, I am not saying that is what I believe. But I do understand why many people might hold such beliefs.
I also feel that no amount of debating will convince such people otherwise, perhaps for good reason.

Perhaps the fundamental problem in American politics today is there has been a massive run on the Bank Of Trust and said bank no longer has the social capital to extend the trust-credit necessary to bridge the huge and growing divide that separates Americans from one another and from their country as a political ideal.

How truly sad and astonishing a state of affairs when one considers there was a time - not so very long ago - when, for a brief moment in history, the rest of the world looked upon them with a certain measure of envy.