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Win Quitters/Etiquette

Yeah except you're not playing football where you have to prepare 22+ men, book a date, a stadium, meet up, get a referee, line guards etc. and play for 90+ minutes.

You're playing blitz chess from the convenience of your home.
You understand how this makes a difference?

Also afaik football has no rematches because you play in a league and the league dictates the match-ups. Show me the lichess league you play in and I'll stamp up your good boy card

I think the biggest problem that most people have with this kind of question is not the subject itself but the way it is often delivered.

"have the times (and manners) of the game slipped so much in the internet era"

"For too many people, hanging on to the 10 rating points from an online chess room seems more important than not being a douche. That's pretty sad and suggests a lack of perspective on just how important that is in their life."

"online chess makes people act in ways I'd hope they didn't in person i.e., like douches"

"it means people are missing the fun of the challenge in lieu of some well-grabbed ranking points. Each to their own, but I'll always be on the side of sportsmanship and 'the spirit of the game'."

""sorry man I'm a win quitter, and I live in perpetual fear of losing a game so when I win I move on. That is the way I roll!" "

" Perhaps it is a unified front dedicated to insulting the minority of decent polite people that still have the courage to venture into this online chess swamp we are all wading in?"

etc.

And by often, I mean in every single thread about this topic. Often very quickly (the first quote is from the very first post - noone of "the other side of the argument" provoked that remark...).

What irritates people is this whole holier-than-thou attitude. The suggestion is that the one who refuses the rematch is the worse person than the one who offered it.

But let me tell you something. Despite his rude language, HumanCentipawn has a point. There is only a very fine line between "sportsmanlike" and "arrogant". A rematch offer after a loss always implies the subtext of "I think I can beat you this time". This can be interpreted in both ways, sportsmanlike (" a new challenge") or arrogant ("I just blundered for no reason, but normally I am of course much better than you noob"). Obviously, this interpretation is largely influenced by the game that just ended. But yes, the latter cases do happen, too (I personally am more inclined to accept a rematch if the game didn't end in a single blunder but by step-by-step outmanoeuvering).

If the offering side won the previous game, it's usually even less ambiguous - even more blatant "point-grabbing" than the other way round, like suggested by elblandie, isn' it? In fact, him/her bringing up that topic does raise some suspicion if he/she isn't just mad about exactly those cases where they were better, blundered, and the opponent didn't allow them to win back their points by accepting the rematch. Sportsmanlike? Not in my book.

Offering rematches is not sportsmanlike per default.
Accepting rematches is not sportsmanlike per default.
Refusing rematches is not sportsmanlike per default.

Ok?

Just like how sport has no rematch, chess tournament has no rematch either. Whats the argument/contention here, rematch is not unsportsmanlike. there are million reasons some one might not rematch because what if they are fireman and they get emergency call so they have to decline and leave. What if they don't want play. Tying Sportsman ship to casual is stupid western agenda

I agree fuly with sakisrouklas people just need to grow up

"have the times (and manners) of the game slipped so much in the internet era"

But why, yes indeed they have. That's the advantage of being able to pass player after player without having to see a person in front of you. That's not tacky talk, it's literally true. It doesn't mean we have to go back to the old-fashioned way, but it doesn't harm to acknowledge the truth.

When my opponent loses due to a really stupid blunder I do understand that it's a nice move by me to give them another shot at it. I don't have to, and their motivation to challenge me again might be a sinister one. But you do understand why it's a nice move from my side, yea?

Also the "good game" "well played" "thank you" etc. buttons are there for a reason. It takes about a second of your time and will make the community that much better.

Not giving a sh*t is allowed but don't act like it's on the same level as making the experience better as a whole.

AND DON'T GIVE ME SH1T ABOUT COMPELLED SPORTSMANSHIP lmao
Why don't people understand that being a good sport is about volunteering, that this whole thing is just about asking more people to volunteer for making this whole community more human.

Like, sometimes I'll just rattle through my games because I just wanna compete, compete, compete. But I appreciate it when someone acts more gracefully, especially after they've lost.

But no, telling someone who beat you that they played a good game isn't a sign of character. It's actually the exact same as just click on to the next person. Everything's the same. Right.

I'm all against people acting like they are better - as that makes them worse in that moment - but not everything's relative either.

Harmony, bro

First I don't agree with the concept of "good boy card"

In OTB chess the common rule is the absence of immediate rematchs after a single game. There is not a rematch in tournaments (and people don't do rematchs in the analysis rooms) and in the club room the loser player (or drawn with white) leave the chair to the next member.

In common chess don't exist a sportmanship rule about the accept of rematch. Contrary the sportmanship attitude is accepting the losing of the game.

In my opinion internet don't change the burden of the proof. The games are simple games not matches or tests to stablish the best player. There is not right for rematch and accept a rematch is not more sporty than denny it.

What is sportsmanship mean anymore. Such a waste. Now everyone gets a trophy for having fun or being a good sport.

I dunno. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just have a few beers and forget about it? I mean really, chess is a nasty nasty game where one person takes another person's pieces and traps their King. Is this nice? No. It's nasty. And really a bit of on line etiquette in an already very nasty game is not asking too much. So come on chaps - buck up and say "hello" when I say "hello", and say "good game" - even if I happen to give you a damn good thrashing, and when I offer a rematch at least give me a decent reason before you run off to challenge someone else and raise your rating. Oh yeah! Oh yes and please be mindful that I may...or may not have had a few damn fine beers this evening. I am drinking Oetinger but I prefer the Czech lager Pilsner Urquell - any thoughts on this one?

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Tournaments don't have rematches. This is not a tournament setting. Obviously. You don't get to choose who to play in a tournament.

Extending some courtesy to a fellow player is a good thing. How is it not a good thing? You got me scratching my head.
If you played against me and had me beat by a landslide and then someone walked into your room and you had to do something for a second and bam your clock runs out - you ask for a rematch. Isn't it really nice if I give you that?

Or are you going to argue that it's neither nice nor rude? That would certainly be an alien way of looking at things.

And for the hundredth time, it's not about rules. Sportsmanship is voluntary action.

PS I'm right with you Shillam, I don't like Oettinger much though. I much prefer the French brand "Fischer"

Cheers!

You can argument that accept a rematch is a good thing, i'm not agree but in any case you also argument that don't accept a rematch is a bad sportsmanship (-0.3) this are differents things.

The general rules and habits in sports is the no right to rematch and I don't think that people is not sportmanships when play respecting the rules and the commons habits in the game.

Its not about accepting or rejecting rematch offers. Its just about being polite. Sure reject my rematch offer but just say "hey man gotta go, I hate you, but I have to go!" and that's fine with me. A simple explanation, a bit of manners, that's all we're asking. Say "hello", say "good game", and quote a bit of Shakespeare and everything will be okay forever and ever and ever.

I haven't tried "Fischer"@SakisRouklas , however I will keep my eye out for it. Have you tried the new zealand beer "monteiths black"? The czech lager budvar budejoviky is also great stuff. Four and a half stars from me!

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