#37 Indeed... honestly, from time to time I play on chess.com and am surprised how those opponents prioritize quality above speed, grinding down my position no matter how stubbornly I defend; whereas here I frequently hang pieces and win anyway. Probably I need to start playing rapid and classical again.
#41
Haha, I do notice that my tactics, positional understanding, opening repertoire, and endgames are about 1800 level, but like in tennis, if you have that really fast serve, you can always get a few points back VS people who outplay you otherwise. In chess that is the ability to speed up and flag your opponent or pressure his clock so that he will stumble or be a unable to convert his winning position.
Haha, I do notice that my tactics, positional understanding, opening repertoire, and endgames are about 1800 level, but like in tennis, if you have that really fast serve, you can always get a few points back VS people who outplay you otherwise. In chess that is the ability to speed up and flag your opponent or pressure his clock so that he will stumble or be a unable to convert his winning position.
A friend of mine said earlier "there's no greater joy in life than seeing your opponent blunder his queen while he's completely winning".
I think he struck at a fundamental truth. My most violent, whole-body spasms of laughter and joy have erupted in extremely low quality positions. Trying to do things that absolutely should not work, but then somehow do. When any disgruntled player says something similar like "you may have won on time, but the quality of my chess was higher" you can see the dishonesty radiate from their eyes. They make it sound like a conscious choice and a moral high-ground, but it was never a choice. Given the chance, they'd trade in "quality" to win more in a heartbeat. Every single person will choose chess immorality and flagging when he tastes the euphoria of a succulent swindle.
I feel one of the main problems is the simply haven't tried playing chess in an alternative way. They're like little children who look at a new food with a disgusted expression "there's no way I'm eating that!". Then after some weeks of convincing they finally eat it, and find out that they love it. Their instance on playing quality moves prevents them from creating horrific positions where they might experience these pleasures.
I encourage everyone to experiment, to be as dirty and immoral as humanly possible on the chess board. Flag, swindle, trick. Then, having generated actual life experience and data points, choose the way you play. I know for fact that those who have actually experienced the joy of dirtiness will walk this path for life and dismiss their old opinions.
Warm regards, Burrower 🙏
I think he struck at a fundamental truth. My most violent, whole-body spasms of laughter and joy have erupted in extremely low quality positions. Trying to do things that absolutely should not work, but then somehow do. When any disgruntled player says something similar like "you may have won on time, but the quality of my chess was higher" you can see the dishonesty radiate from their eyes. They make it sound like a conscious choice and a moral high-ground, but it was never a choice. Given the chance, they'd trade in "quality" to win more in a heartbeat. Every single person will choose chess immorality and flagging when he tastes the euphoria of a succulent swindle.
I feel one of the main problems is the simply haven't tried playing chess in an alternative way. They're like little children who look at a new food with a disgusted expression "there's no way I'm eating that!". Then after some weeks of convincing they finally eat it, and find out that they love it. Their instance on playing quality moves prevents them from creating horrific positions where they might experience these pleasures.
I encourage everyone to experiment, to be as dirty and immoral as humanly possible on the chess board. Flag, swindle, trick. Then, having generated actual life experience and data points, choose the way you play. I know for fact that those who have actually experienced the joy of dirtiness will walk this path for life and dismiss their old opinions.
Warm regards, Burrower 🙏
longer time periods are practically non-existent
I don't understand why you would make such a statement you can play classical chess.
As for ratings yeah you are correct I can play at a 1550 level here but in real life my rating is 1250 so you have much better players playing in real life play. It also could be that some players don't really try their best all the time because its online. I know I do that sometimes and make some really careless errors because I was either tired or just not concentrating.
As for speed online chess will always draw out speed players and these players are much better at speed chess then classical that is for sure. Just compare my performance in bullet to classical there are much better players playing bullet. Also I have noticed that bullet players remember opening moves a lot and really not know much about theory. I do how ever think the top bullet players are the whole deal and can play well in any type of chess not just bullet. And of course the ultimate player has played on here Magnus Carlson probably the greatest chess player in human history.
I don't understand why you would make such a statement you can play classical chess.
As for ratings yeah you are correct I can play at a 1550 level here but in real life my rating is 1250 so you have much better players playing in real life play. It also could be that some players don't really try their best all the time because its online. I know I do that sometimes and make some really careless errors because I was either tired or just not concentrating.
As for speed online chess will always draw out speed players and these players are much better at speed chess then classical that is for sure. Just compare my performance in bullet to classical there are much better players playing bullet. Also I have noticed that bullet players remember opening moves a lot and really not know much about theory. I do how ever think the top bullet players are the whole deal and can play well in any type of chess not just bullet. And of course the ultimate player has played on here Magnus Carlson probably the greatest chess player in human history.
Indeed, there are many ways to approach the game... I created lichess.org/team/the-endgame-church because I have strong opinions about the benefits of endgame study and hope that players could become curious about endgames. But everyone has their own approach to the game, and some players do claim to enjoy bullet etc.
My greatest joy in the chess world was on lichess when I flagged a 2300 when he had a queen 3 pieces and 6 pawns versus my bare king as 1 pawn. He had 1 move to make for checkmate.
There's no greater beauty in chess.
There's no greater beauty in chess.
#46
Yes, that is beautiful. In fact we can reverse this thread and hit Sargon with:
Slow chess isn’t real chess! Slow boring play killed the game. Because of long time controls the opponent can think for 5 hours and get out of a beautiful trap I sat for him that would otherwise have killed him. And look at the image of chess, too long, too boring. Speed chess is the way to go. Boredom of slow chess replaces excitement of speed chess.
Yes, that is beautiful. In fact we can reverse this thread and hit Sargon with:
Slow chess isn’t real chess! Slow boring play killed the game. Because of long time controls the opponent can think for 5 hours and get out of a beautiful trap I sat for him that would otherwise have killed him. And look at the image of chess, too long, too boring. Speed chess is the way to go. Boredom of slow chess replaces excitement of speed chess.
That of course raises the question: is it just a matter of preference or is @Sarg0n right in his assesment of bullet chess?
Lets put it like this: Anyone who is good at long time controls can learn to play bullet. His fundamental understanding of the game and opening repertoire will come in handy. Bullet players have a unique set of skills like premoving their king 15 times in 20 moves and obscure tricky opening lines that few people know because they are absolutely unsound.
And of course setting up tactics in hopes the opponent misses them. These skills are mostly worthless in long time controls. On top of that, bullet players tend to hit a plateau at arround their rapid rating + 100 or so. And then no amount of bullet tricks is going to advance their game to the next level.
This is why all top tier Bullet players have Titles or at least 2100+ Fide ratings, while someone only playing bullet chess can stay at the same rating forever if he does not learn to play real chess. @german11
Lets put it like this: Anyone who is good at long time controls can learn to play bullet. His fundamental understanding of the game and opening repertoire will come in handy. Bullet players have a unique set of skills like premoving their king 15 times in 20 moves and obscure tricky opening lines that few people know because they are absolutely unsound.
And of course setting up tactics in hopes the opponent misses them. These skills are mostly worthless in long time controls. On top of that, bullet players tend to hit a plateau at arround their rapid rating + 100 or so. And then no amount of bullet tricks is going to advance their game to the next level.
This is why all top tier Bullet players have Titles or at least 2100+ Fide ratings, while someone only playing bullet chess can stay at the same rating forever if he does not learn to play real chess. @german11
Theres still good quality at 5min not as good as longer controls ._. but i do enjoy the 5 min blitz even though im not a great player i do play decent chess from time to time
My experience from outer space, .... i mean correspondance chess. I am constantly tempted and happy to consult the book of openings (the explorer) which is not only about openings, but does go into middle game, not engame, though, that would be boring.
It offers filter toggles
1) per database: curated masters vs lichess, so some historical tendencies from the past on one hand,
2) and within Lichess, per time controls (no toggle for correspondance, because of outer space).
Some of the questions debated here can be studied with the statistics tables per move line candidate at each position (up to 8 or 10 populated lines).
For short time scales, there are very popular moves that don't exist in longer time scales (or the masters), since duplicates are removed, those statistics only tell the story of how many different games stem from that position, not how many games, but still, it shows that either these are reflex moves, or that a small group of people are systematically exploring that move, or please provide alternate hypothesis. I'd be willing to do a study or studies with any interested member willing to play with such filters and make a comparative analysis of beaten paths per time controls...
I have not seen a post here mentioning any related idea, so i thought this outer space perspective might shed some light on the different chess game-play that are emerging. perhaps different theories, or trends or fashions....
Also, would be nice to have the explorer with duplicates included for real behavioral studies.
It offers filter toggles
1) per database: curated masters vs lichess, so some historical tendencies from the past on one hand,
2) and within Lichess, per time controls (no toggle for correspondance, because of outer space).
Some of the questions debated here can be studied with the statistics tables per move line candidate at each position (up to 8 or 10 populated lines).
For short time scales, there are very popular moves that don't exist in longer time scales (or the masters), since duplicates are removed, those statistics only tell the story of how many different games stem from that position, not how many games, but still, it shows that either these are reflex moves, or that a small group of people are systematically exploring that move, or please provide alternate hypothesis. I'd be willing to do a study or studies with any interested member willing to play with such filters and make a comparative analysis of beaten paths per time controls...
I have not seen a post here mentioning any related idea, so i thought this outer space perspective might shed some light on the different chess game-play that are emerging. perhaps different theories, or trends or fashions....
Also, would be nice to have the explorer with duplicates included for real behavioral studies.
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