I watched the vid "Ultimate Funny Chess Moments and Blunders" www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsGvQwZjYZM
There's this guy, Eric Hansen, throwing an armchair through the room because he blundered vs Nakamura.
I realized that I was not the only nutcase to over react from time to time. From the chess world perspective, I'm rather normal. From the usual world perspective, yes, I know, I'm a grown up, the big men don't act like children blablabla... The worst that I've done is to crash a hard drive by smashing a laptop. It was my laptop. I'm not sure that it is only a matter of ego versus ego as often said. I mean, I can rage against puzzles or a A.I. and shout at a computer, which have no ego. And while I'm doing it, I'm aware of it. I know these are things. It's probably less a matter of ego than a matter of mental tension to release by boasting or raging when you play too much and you get tired. Anyway what is the worst thing you've done out of raging? Or the funniest moment?
In my case, the laptop. Now I hit furnitures ;) A classical theme. I curse too. But I never type my words to the opponent. When I'm insulted, it is rare - perhaps because I loose a lot - it makes me laugh. I mean, come on, man, you keep your personal stuff at home. You already lost, it's useless to make a fool of yourself. OVB things are different. The physical presence ease things.
So. Did your relatives ever look at you as if you were abnormal because you were raging playing internet chess? Did you break things? Did you run naked around your garden to celebrate a victory? What is your odd moment?
This is not healthy. People need to work on themselves a little bit.
yep it not healthy.
its not even as if you are out of control as you say now you hit furniture rather than damage your laptop
throwing your toys out of your pram is something kids do
it isnt healthy when eric hansen does it either
Of course it is healthy to release stress when you experience it. You just have to find a socially acceptable method of doing it. Destroying own chair in own room, thats acceptable.
What's not healthy is perhaps to play too much until you reach the flash point.
Nevertheless things seem to be more complex than just "improve yourself", "work on yourself". It's right from a certain point of view. If you want to win, you firstly have to make it your only goal. Then you have to privilege your rational thinking and turn off your emotions while playing. It is a fine asset IRL. On the other hand there are, I think, but I might be wrong, many players who enjoy the rush of adrenaline. Chess without a clock would not be the same. Would it be even what we call chess? A game against a weak opponent has no interest. You can win, but you know deep inside of you that it is worthless.
It's all about balance. The more you play, the more you know that you can't have anything for free. What we call a blur is sometimes really a blur if the player was not aware of what he was doing, but it can be a bluff too. Fast victory involves "bad" moves, or many risky bets. That's the same about the feelings. If you want to experience something strong, you have to invest yourself in chess. The players in the video invest a lot in chess. One of them says "It's an addiction. A bad addiction." I'm not sure it's "bad". What is released while playing, has less chance to be expressed in real life. It's a kind of catharsis. And what makes us find funny these moments is often the brutal transition from one state to another. As an example when Hansen thinks he's losing the queen during the opening, then realizes that she can escape. His reactions show how extreme are the modulations of the state of mind while playing. And if we laugh, that's because we see us through him. If you want to experience something exciting, you have to commit yourself. Or you'll have no pleasure. But if you want great pleasure, you must pay the price: the risk of raging hard.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I'm interested in this topic.
@lanewod that have you well said.
I gave an example a while back in another thread, where, when I was younger, I once got pissed-off at a Yahoo Chess game, and threw a 15" CRT monitor out a second-story apartment window.
That's not good.
That thread asked about "rage quitting" on LiChess. And, I couldn't think of an example of "rage" I've felt in a long time. I get angry at myself, but, it's only myself.
My outlet is coming here to the fourms and finding something dumb to give someone some hell about. (If available. It seems to be an every-other-week thing. Sometimes I miss dumb things and someone else has already said something pointed enough; but if it's dumb enough or funny enough, I'll say something.)
In any case...
A while back, I was watching this video of Hansen before he got started on a chess playing session, and, he said: "Let me get MY water." Or, "I have to get MY water." -- And he let the recording run while he was clearly visible in the background screwing around in the kitchen "getting HIS water."
That's a pretty keen clue as to an individual's type of personality -- that they simply don't care. The linguistic tick of saying "MY water," instead of "let me get a glass of water before I get started." -- This is a pretty keen clue into the guy's personality. The way he said it, his actions after saying it. (Did not bother to pause until he got back, gets back and says "I got MY water.")
Most people aren't ware of this. I'm acutely and keenly aware of these things.
I could tell you right then, the first time I watched a video of this guy playing online, that he's got some issues.
Add to the above observations that he's got a generally, very flat affect, and seems to be very twitchy and uppity upon making a mistake, versus "oh, hey, I screwed-up."
Now, take my example (of raging by throwing a CRT out a window when I was younger) ... Hansen's only ... what ... 20-something? Well, I was 21 or 22, no more than 23 when I threw a CRT out a second-story window. He threw a chair in a room. I threw a CRT out a window.
And, he's playing online, and, giving you a view into is personal life and world. (Some forgiveness is necessary. Especially in today's modern surveillance society. Nobody's perfect.)
I dunno what the point is other than ... people screw-up and make mistakes and do dumb things sometimes. In this case, it helps explain that fact that people do and say dumb things when they're equally if not more unhappy with themselves. I'm not a fan of Eric Hansen, and, I think the poor Neanderthal has some issues; or he's just young and dumb, and, well, whatever. (Possibly ain't no big thing, except for his "MY world" attitude and perspective -- I can't ever remember saying anything even remotely like "MY water" -- which is a big clue as to his overall attitude, perspective and personality.)
"I'm not a fan of Eric Hansen, and, I think the poor Neanderthal has some issues; or he's just young and dumb, and, well, whatever."
After reading your arrogant posts for a while i (and others probably too) have come to the conclusion that you have a narcissistic personality disorder.
I think it is time that we rename you to "PsychoCharlie". I further suggest this to be your profile pic:
People are forgetting the meta of streaming. Bad behavior on stream gets more clips, discussion, and ultimately viewers. A certain quite popular streamer is extreme evidence of this. He himself does not really seem to add any particularly informative or generally entertaining content, but people watch to see him rage and tilt which he does with a great degree of regularity, and probably far more than he would if he was not on camera. That I imagine most people know who I'm referencing without naming him is all the more evidence of the appeal of this sort of behavior.
Streaming is like "reality" tv.
@MrCharles You're reading way too much into the phrase "my water". This is a completely normal thing to say. It is, after all, his water.