Levy in Madrid

@MoveBlundaMoveBlunda Gaining rating at the GM level is much harder - 50 FIDE there is about equal to 200 FIDE at club level or ~250 Glicko-2 (lichess). So you could compare that 35-point improvement to you getting to 1725 on Lichess.

It's also quite amusing to me that a 1400 is saying that a GM title doesn't mean much if you aren't 2600.

@IndianDefense said in #11:
> @MoveBlundaMoveBlunda Gaining rating at the GM level is much harder - 50 FIDE there is about equal to 200 FIDE at club level or ~250 Glicko-2 (lichess). So you could compare that 35-point improvement to you getting to 1725 on Lichess.
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> It's also quite amusing to me that a 1400 is saying that a GM title doesn't mean much if you aren't 2600.

This isn't a revelation. Just look at the ratings of many players who have the GM title but aren't actively playing as much. Their rating drops. They work very hard to get the title, then they stop. Why is this so unbelievable? If high school students study for their college math entrance exams (USA has had the SAT and the ACT, not sure of the weight today), and then get a job in a non-math field, would you expect them to be as capable in math as they were?

I find it funny that you don't share the same view, since any absolute beginner should gain a couple hundred points by just using common sense. I know if I picked up a book, I also could gain a couple hundred points fairly easily. This isn't me saying Levy has it easy. It is me recognizing that atrophy point where you don't do anything.

To be a IM you need to be 2400, Levy is what? 2322. This means he has dropped 78 points from the IM norm rating. Akira Nakata on the other hand needed to get to 2300 for the FM title and he is up to 2414. I am seeing Levy not losing which is like gaining a half point each time another player gambles and loses. He is only .5 in the lead with weak competition at the IM level, and very weak at the GM level.

That is a big reason why I am saying 2600 should be the real GM standard after you get the title. You can't just walk away like a high school graduate if you want to be seen as a real GM. Getting the GM title and going down to 2450 is like someone who prepares in the kitchen to cook a holiday meal, and after that holiday they just keep ordering restaurant food.

You aren't fully rounded. Does Levy want the GM title so bad it is like preparing a holiday meal, or does he want to be a fancy restaurant chef. I see Chrisopher Yoo and Mishra Abinmanyu around that 2600 breaking point. Before that, Jeffrey Xiong was a contender and even reached the 2700 club in 2019. But the same goes for him. To really be a Super GM, you got to stay up there. You can't fall to the low 2600s. To give credit, he is 2645. No idea what he is up to today, maybe in college and chess isn't his priority like with Jennifer Yu.

The general problem with your argument is that you are saying a GM must be better than the minimum GM requirement. I wouldn't disagree so much if you said that they have to keep 2500 but requiring 2600 is like saying you aren't really a 1400 until you hit 1800 (which is a comparable rating gain).

@IndianDefense said in #13:
> but requiring 2600 is like saying you aren't really a 1400 until you hit 1800 (which is a comparable rating gain).

Ahh, well you hit the nail on the head. The thing is GM is a title, 1400 is a rating. Take two 1400s from different local chess clubs and one in fact might be 1800!!

When you play a bot, they are programmed to lose relative to some contrived rating setting. So, 1400s can beat 1800s. With human play exclusively, we don't know their true strength. Look at the NM title as an example between countries. I found one for the FM title to illustrate.

FM Jemusse Zhemba

This guy's highest rating appears to be 2246 in June 2023. The definition to get the FM title I see is, "The usual way for a player to qualify for the FIDE Master title is by achieving an Elo rating of 2300 or more."

I have also seen this in women's chess. Shahenda Wafa has a Women's GM title, but her peak rating was 2175 (March 2019). And look at the definition to get that. "The usual way to obtain the WGM title is similar to the open titles, where a FIDE rating of 2300 and three norms of 2400 performance rating is required against opponents who are higher rated than 2130 on average."

So, yes, I do feel strongly that we need to apply this across the board. You may enter the GM pool of players at 2500, but you need to perform better. I used 2600 as the next logical +100 rating. If you think that is a too far a jump then 2550?

The point is if we are going to be strict about a 2499 not being a GM, then we should also be strict about a 2501 not dipping below 2500. There needs to be some increment.

"Well, yea, I was an A student in October."
"But, it's now December, final grade time and you average C-."

Sure, if you want to be a C- and squeak by, enjoy. But don't expect invitations to closed tournaments.

well Madrid is done and in the books. Rozman didn't get a GM norm, but he made a respectable showing and came clear second. He didn't impress the way a GM would, but he certainly punched above his weight and deserves some credit for that.
Wonder what's next for him?

@verylate said in #16:
> well Madrid is done and in the books. Rozman didn't get a GM norm, but he made a respectable showing and came clear second. He didn't impress the way a GM would, but he certainly punched above his weight and deserves some credit for that.
> Wonder what's next for him?

more invitation only tournaments i'd image

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