As a 1. d4 player, I've found pretty good ways of playing all of the responses by black, but there's a particular opening I'm having a lot of trouble with... The King's Indian Defense, 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7.
I have tried a few different systems, including...
-Mainline Classical (4.e4)(9.Ne1)
-Fianchetto Variation (4.e4)(6.g3)
-Mainline Bishop (4.e4)(9.Bg5)
-Saemisch System (5.f3)
-Smyslov System (4.Nf3...5.Bg5...6.e3)
And in general, all of these systems allow the furious kingside attack that characterizes the King's Indian. I'm wondering if anyone has any other systems they'd recommend to use against the K.I.D. Feedback is greatly appreciated.
EDIT: I'm not saying I want to completely change my opening repertoire, switch to 1.e4, play completely different moves etc. What I'm looking for is something against the King's Indian Defense move order. If I can find something good against King's Indian Defense I'll be very happy.
Maybe kingside aggression with Bf4 or Bg5, followed by h4, e3, h5. Or maybe Nf3 Bd2 Qc1, and swap off the dark square bishops, put the knight on g5 and attack?
Getting the Light-Squared bishop to the B3-G8 diagnoal seems like a strong attacking square, but the pawn on c4 is in the way.
I just checked @fins' book on 1.d4 on chessable, and he recommends getting the pawns on d4 and e4 (as opposed to d4 and c4), Knights on c3 and f3, a bishop on e2, and O-O.
I don't come up against it very often, but those are my thoughts and resources.
I think 1.e4 is the refutation of KID :-)
Yes! but 1.d4 is the refutation to the Sicilian! :D
By playing 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 you can expect certain openings.
You could try to play instead : 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 and see how you like that.
As third move you can play g2g3, or Bg5 or Bf4, or e2e3 depending on what your opponent plays.
Also, in general it makes some sense to research your own games, and see how your results are per opening, and see how comfortable you are with the resulting positions. Each opening can lead to specific middle- and endgames.
For example in the Gruenfeld Indian, it can happen pretty often that black has a pawn majority on the queenside while white has a center pawn majority, which can be viewed as an endgame advantage for black.
So, why study your opening statistics ? Because it can be an eye-opener to see that we made "wrong" choices.
I started to look at my own openings after reading an article about a chess master who played Sicilian Najdorf for years, and was, for some time, too stubborn to admit that another opening would suit him much better. Then, when realizing that, he changed to another opening.
@CamelClutcher oh seems right ! ;-)
@TatsumakiRonyk In King's Indian, most of the time white attacks on the queenside and not on the kingside. What I've been using against King's Indian thus far has been the strong pawn center with the move order 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Be2 e5 7. 0-0 Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. Be3 f5 11. f3 f4 12. Bf2 g5, which is the move order you're suggesting. As white I'm trying to avoid black's kingside attack, and this variation is the purest example of it.
@NOTFOXAnonymous Noooo I'm not switching to 1. e4! Sorry. All I'm looking for my repertoire at the moment is something against the King's Indian Defense move order that avoids the kingside attack black typically performs.
@achja I have been playing the Queen's Gambit/Catalan move order for about a year and I've found comfortable plans for white for most openings...Except the King's Indian Defense move order, 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7. Most of the time I do not know if my opponent is going to play K.I.D. or not, so I can't change white's move order precisely. If I knew my opponent wasn't going to play K.I.D. I would probably use that move order. If not, I would certainly use 2. c4. All I'm looking for is something I can use against the move order: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7.
I appreciate all the suggestions I'm getting so far. Happy Checkmating!
I am KID player and the best advice I can give you as white is attack on the Q side. It's a race between K side and Q side attacks.
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d6 4. e4 Bg7
5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. dxe5 dxe5 8. Qxd8 Rxd8
9. Nd5 Nxd5 10. cxd5 c6 11. Bc4 cxd5 12. Bxd5
is one line that goes into a dry endgame
I'm more of a 1. e4 player, so I'm not very familiar with the King's Indian as much, but, personally, I'd play something like:
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Be3 O-O 6. f3 e5 7. d5 c6 Qd2, and prepare to attack the bishop on g7. AFAIK once the fianchettoed bishop is gone black's kingside is pretty weak, not sure on this however.